Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

[Clip-Clop]

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test". Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.
Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test".

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.

Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?

Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.



Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?



Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

You honestly believe that because kids "pass" a civics class they have learned something?
You know very little about our education system.
http://community.heywhateversocial.i...405/22914.html
Enjoy.

[Clip-Clop]

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

i don't know about that now....there are plenty of both to go around. and what's 'informed' mean? for instance, if someone was clinging to the opinion that obama is muslim, would that mean he was or wasn't informed?
and what kind of civics test? they have to name the current administration? 6 of the 9 court justices? or name former presidents-most people would fail that, but that doesn't mean they aren't informed.

[Riot]

The Federal Voting Rights Act, passed in 1965, made tests such as this one illegal

Alabama Literacy Test

Take this quiz to see whether you would have been able to vote
before 1965 if you were not white.

http://kpearson.project.tcnj.edu/int...iles/test.html

Alabama Literacy Test
Parts "B" and "C"

In a typical Alabama literacy test, Part "A" required you to read out loud to the registrar's satisfaction a section of the Constitution (and in some cases verbally interpret it to his satisfaction). You then had to write out a section.

After that, you were given Parts "B" and "C" which were two sets of four written questions that you had to answer.

The parts "B" and "C" we display on this website are some examples from workbooks that Citizenship School teachers, such as the young woman in the photo at left, used to teach applicants what to expect when they went down to the courthouse to register. For that reason, the correct answers for each question are shown.

http://www.crmvet.org/info/litques.htm