Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Are you serious? That exact type of test was given in this country, and outlawed in the 1960's as illegal. You'd clearly fail such a test yourself, as you are unawares of our United States civil rights history

We already have a basic civics test for voting. It's called, "Being an American Citizen". Even grossly uninformed voters, unawares of our voting laws and civil rights laws, such as yourself, can vote.

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test". Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.
Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I know all of this, although your description is a little bit flawed to say "that EXACT type of test".

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.

Just because something was deemed to be illegal doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?

Foreigners looking to become citizens (with the right to vote) need to pass such a test, why is simply being born here a pass on learning something?

Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

I would be for a basic civics test for the privilege of voting. it is because of uninformed voters that the informed voters are so upset by the current government.

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.



Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?



Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

You honestly believe that because kids "pass" a civics class they have learned something?
You know very little about our education system.
http://community.heywhateversocial.i...405/22914.html
Enjoy.

[Clip-Clop]

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

No comment on foreigners wishing to become citizens actually having to learn something before getting to vote?
Being a citizen of the United States is a privilege and the rights that go along with it should be treated the same way.

I like the idea of a citizen/resident policy.
Citizens pay taxes, contribute, educate themselves, serve the country in the military or other civic duties and therefore get to choose who runs things.
Residents live and sometimes work here. Path to citizenship-see above.

Citizens United, still think the Supreme court is perfect?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.
They say the fundraising decides the office, that is sad and true. See it on TV and it even remotely resembles your beliefs and you (the collective you, not you personally) are on board.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

probably the average jersey shore viewer...well, the list could go on and on.