Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.
They say the fundraising decides the office, that is sad and true. See it on TV and it even remotely resembles your beliefs and you (the collective you, not you personally) are on board.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.

Whoa - that's not about civics, and that is overtly anti-Constitutional: you just want to eliminate participation by people whose extreme political views you personally disagree with.

and go back to using the Constitution to run the country.

You aren't even following the Constitution with your suggestion on voting by merit.

This is a democracy. We have a Constitution that we follow. All are created equal. Every citizen can vote, even radical anarchists and KKK members, and even people "on the far ends" that you think need to be "re-educated".

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Whoa - that's not about civics, and that is overtly anti-Constitutional: you just want to eliminate participation by people whose extreme political views you personally disagree with.



You aren't even following the Constitution with your suggestion on voting by merit.

This is a democracy. We have a Constitution that we follow. All are created equal. Every citizen can vote, even radical anarchists and KKK members, and even people "on the far ends" that you think need to be "re-educated".

All are created equal and do not stay that way for very long. Voting by merit sounds like a good idea actually. You should have to earn all rights, nothing should be granted to you simply by birth.
Except of course, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This is a constitutional republic not a democracy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

All are created equal and do not stay that way for very long. Voting by merit sounds like a good idea actually. You should have to earn all rights, nothing should be granted to you simply by birth.
Except of course, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This is a constitutional republic not a democracy.

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

Our Rights do NOT come from the GOVT. We are endowed with them by the Creator. It's the Govt's job to protect our rights.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Our Rights do NOT come from the GOVT. We are endowed with them by the Creator. It's the Govt's job to protect our rights.

The Creator says all American citizens are created equal, and all can vote.

And she's pretty pissed at the jerks who are trying to take those voting rights away. Dinosaur Jesus told me it's true.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

Very few people agree with me, there are some that are naive enough to think that Washington can be fixed. If all citizens have the right to vote (I still think this should be true, with a caveat or two), then they should also be capable of proving citizenship prior to casting a vote, regardless of voting history.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Very few people agree with me, there are some that are naive enough to think that Washington can be fixed. If all citizens have the right to vote (I still think this should be true, with a caveat or two), then they should also be capable of proving citizenship prior to casting a vote, regardless of voting history.

Well, the Founding Fathers of our country certainly disagreed with you when they wrote the Constitution. They wrote that document specifically and deliberately to prevent people who thought like you from controlling others.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Very few people agree with me, there are some that are naive enough to think that Washington can be fixed. If all citizens have the right to vote (I still think this should be true, with a caveat or two), then they should also be capable of proving citizenship prior to casting a vote, regardless of voting history.

felons lose their right to vote, but that's the only group i know of that is disenfranchised-by their own actions tho.
and i do think that requiring id is common sense, but voter registration also needs to be fixed. people who live near a state line have been registered in multiple areas, and have voted multiple times from what i've read.
voter rolls shouldn't just be purged of non-voters, but states should cross reference. but id would also be a red flag in that instance. i know of a guy who lives on property straddling the ark/la border. he has all ark id, tags,works in ark, etc. but his 911 address is in la. so, yeah, he could be registered to vote twice. how many out there like that? or they move, vote absentee in home state, in person here?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.
They say the fundraising decides the office, that is sad and true. See it on TV and it even remotely resembles your beliefs and you (the collective you, not you personally) are on board.

i understand the frustration and agree that many voters will only listen to viewpoints that reinforce their own beliefs. but i can't get on board with a new version of a literacy test. the history isn't pretty and i don't see any reason to think it wouldn't be abused again.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

probably the average jersey shore viewer...well, the list could go on and on.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Danzig

probably the average jersey shore viewer...well, the list could go on and on.

i'm betting the average jersey shore viewer doesn't know there's an election, much less actually vote.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'm betting the average jersey shore viewer doesn't know there's an election, much less actually vote.

Lets hope they just forget to vote.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/22/sn...our-president/