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07-18-2012, 11:47 PM
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In 2011, Baffert debuted 70 horses. Pletcher debuted 137. In 2012, Baffert has debuted 27 horses. Pletcher has debuted 55. He's literally doubling him up on quantity. And Ben Leon's four yearllings worth $6.5 million didn't even make it to debuts for Pletcher. 
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07-19-2012, 12:23 AM
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I certainly wouldn't disagree about the quantity part--which is why I specifically said "quality-wise"--but I think it is very likely that the average horse in Baffert's barn is worth more than the average horse in Pletcher's barn. It would make sense considering how much Pletcher's stock dwarfs Baffert's in sheer quantity.
Obviously these stats aren't complete and it's a small sample size, but I went through each trainer's debut winners over the past year and averaged the purchase prices of those that were published in the Formulator PPs (so I didn't count RNAs and homebreds). . . Baffert debut winners avg. purchase price: $360,000 (from 12 winners) Pletcher: $175,000 (from 23 winners) Double the quantity, half the quality (if we're considering auction price and quality to be synonymous).
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07-19-2012, 12:49 AM
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It's a good argument, but that isn't much of a sample size.
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07-19-2012, 08:57 AM
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07-19-2012, 10:18 AM
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07-19-2012, 10:29 AM
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I doubt that's the case.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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07-19-2012, 10:56 AM
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Brigand was a $90,000 yearling and $925,000 2yo.
Macho Rocket was a $22,000 yearling and a $825,000 2yo. Both of these fine pinhooks slightly out of Klaravich's price range won their debut for Baffert. Quote:
I wouldn't say skewed, but it's just not a big sample.
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07-19-2012, 11:24 AM
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07-19-2012, 02:18 PM
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Here is something that is pretty interesting.
These are the top 40 rated quarterback prospects coming out of highschool in the year 2008: Andrew Luck was only rated #7 at his position that year. RG 3 was rated only the 40th best qb prospect coming out of highschool his year. Quote:
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07-19-2012, 09:24 AM
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07-19-2012, 09:40 AM
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Imagine for one second that Jeff Mulllins wasn't a fruitcake. Imagine he doesn't wear a terrible mullet. Imagine he never went into bodybuilding and made a bigger joke of himself. Imagine other trainers haven't tried to stamp him as a cheater...something they rarely do with other suspicious guys. Imagine he didn't have all of the violations and he didn't call bettors "idiots" and he doesn't make a fool of himself whenever he tries to talk. Mullins has basically been, in my opinion, no doubt about it the best horse trainer in this country over the last 15 years ... and he literally gets no stock. He's taken about five horses to the Kentucky Derby, he's won 3 Santa Anita Derbys and a Wood Memorial ... and each time he pulled the horse right out of his ass. He's gone entire years without a single six figure 2yo. Without a single six figure yearling. Without any nicely bred homebreds. He claims horses out of maiden claiming races and gets them to beat Pleasantly Perfect at Del Mar the same year and run 3rd in the Dubai World Cup. Since 1995, he's started more than 5,000 horses and has a profitable ROI... yet people bet his horses blind on his name and still his ROI remains positive. Jeff Mullins is a better trainer than Pletcher ... but he gets nothing and probably because horse owners don't want a guy with his image training horses for them. I'm not saying Pletcher can't train -- he's Mullins like at Gulfstream every year -- but it's all about image and fashion.
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