Pletcher's stock

asudevil · #1 07-19-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I certainly wouldn't disagree about the quantity part--which is why I specifically said "quality-wise"--but I think it is very likely that the average horse in Baffert's barn is worth more than the average horse in Pletcher's barn. It would make sense considering how much Pletcher's stock dwarfs Baffert's in sheer quantity.

Obviously these stats aren't complete and it's a small sample size, but I went through each trainer's debut winners over the past year and averaged the purchase prices of those that were published in the Formulator PPs (so I didn't count RNAs and homebreds). . .

Baffert debut winners avg. purchase price: $360,000 (from 12 winners)
Pletcher: $175,000 (from 23 winners)

Double the quantity, half the quality (if we're considering auction price and quality to be synonymous).

That number is skewed given the purchases by Kaleem Shah.

NTamm1215 · #2 07-19-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by asudevil

That number is skewed given the purchases by Kaleem Shah.

Did he hire Zayat's old buyer? The purchase price of Brigand is easily one of the most hilarious in the history of racing.

hockey2315 · #3 07-19-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by asudevil

That number is skewed given the purchases by Kaleem Shah.

I don't understand how that would make things skewed. The whole point is that Baffert gets really expensive horses from guys like Shah. Obviously it would be better to go further back and increase the sample size, but it'll take too long.

blackthroatedwind · #4 07-19-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I don't understand how that would make things skewed. The whole point is that Baffert gets really expensive horses from guys like Shah. Obviously it would be better to go further back and increase the sample size, but it'll take too long.

It only makes it skewed if there is one, maybe two, huge priced yearlings and the rest are very modest.

I doubt that's the case.

Calzone Lord · #5 07-19-2012, 10:56 AM

Brigand was a $90,000 yearling and $925,000 2yo.

Macho Rocket was a $22,000 yearling and a $825,000 2yo.

Both of these fine pinhooks slightly out of Klaravich's price range won their debut for Baffert.

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Baffert debut winners avg. purchase price: $360,000 (from 12 winners)

Removing Brigand and Macho Rocket makes Baffert's avg winning purchase price at 185K from 10 debut winners.

I wouldn't say skewed, but it's just not a big sample.

hockey2315 · #6 07-19-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It only makes it skewed if there is one, maybe two, huge priced yearlings and the rest are very modest.

I doubt that's the case.

Right.

Calzone Lord · #7 07-19-2012, 02:18 PM

Here is something that is pretty interesting.

These are the top 40 rated quarterback prospects coming out of highschool in the year 2008:

Andrew Luck was only rated #7 at his position that year. RG 3 was rated only the 40th best qb prospect coming out of highschool his year.

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Terrelle Pryor
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QB

Jeannette, PA
Jeannette High School

6'6''

227

93

Ohio State
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2

Dayne Crist
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Canoga Park, CA
Notre Dame High School

6'5''

228

84

Notre Dame
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3

Mike Glennon
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Centreville, VA
Westfield High School

6'6''

194

83

N Carolina St
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4

Kyle Parker
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Jacksonville, FL
Bartram Trail High School

6'0''

188

83

Clemson
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5

Blaine Gabbert
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Ballwin, MO
Parkway West High School

6'4''

226

83

Missouri
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E.J. Manuel
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Virginia Beach, VA
Bayside High School

6'5''

210

82

Florida St
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7

Andrew Luck
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Houston, TX
Stratford High School

6'3''

205

82

Stanford
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8

Tyler Wilson
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Greenwood, AR
Greenwood High School

6'3''

182

82

Arkansas
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9

Taylor Cook
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Eagle Lake, TX
Rice High School

6'6''

210

81

Miami (FL)
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10

Nick Crissman
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Huntington Beach, CA
Edison High School

6'3''

193

81

UCLA
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Landry Jones
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Artesia, NM
Artesia High School

6'4''

224

81

Oklahoma
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12

Kelly Page
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Sunnyvale, TX
Mesquite High School

6'3''

202

80

Ball State
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13

MarQueis Gray
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Indianapolis, IN
Ben Davis High School

6'4''

204

80

Minnesota
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14

Tino Sunseri
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Pittsburgh, PA
Central Catholic High School

6'2''

190

80

Pittsburgh
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John Wienke
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Tuscola, IL
Tuscola High School

6'4''

196

80

Iowa
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Jordan Jefferson
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Destrahan, LA
Destrehan High School

6'4''

200

80

LSU
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D.C. Jefferson
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Winter Haven, FL
Winter Haven High School

6'6''

230

79

Rutgers
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Riley Dodge
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Southlake, TX
Carroll High School

6'0''

185

79

North Texas
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Curt Phillips
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Kingsport, TN
Sullivan South High School

6'3''

212

79

Wisconsin
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20

Nick Florence
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Garland, TX
South Garland High School

6'2''

167

79

Baylor
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Jacory Harris
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Miami, FL
Miami Northwestern High School

6'4''

169

79

Miami (FL)
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Ryan Griffin
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West Hills, CA
Chaminade College Prep School

6'4''

207

79

Tulane
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Star Jackson
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Lake Worth, FL
Lake Worth Community High School

6'3''

182

79

Alabama
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Corey Trisby
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San Diego, CA
Herbert Hoover High School

6'2''

184

79

UTEP
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Matt Scott
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Corona, CA
Centennial High School

6'2''

185

78

Arizona
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Tommy Dorman
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North Richland, TX
Birdville High School

6'3''

204

78

Texas A&M
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Kody Spano
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Stephenville, TX
Stephenville High School

6'2''

202

78

Nebraska
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Tommy Reamon Jr.
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Gloucester, VA
Gloucester High School

6'2''

190

78

List

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Domonick Britt
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Trotwood, OH
Trotwood-Madison High School

6'4''

175

78

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DeRon Furr
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Columbus, GA
Carver High School

6'3''

212

78

Auburn
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Casey Kelly
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Sarasota, FL
Sarasota High School

6'2''

191

78

Tennessee
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Beau Sweeney
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Clovis, CA
Clovis West High School

6'1''

197

77

California
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Luther Leonard
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Burien, WA
Evergreen High School

6'2''

190

77

Washington
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Dominique Blackman
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Carson, CA
Carson High School

6'5''

242

77

Washington
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Mark Tolzien
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Rolling Meadows, IL
William Fremd High School

6'0''

162

77

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Adam Barry
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Moorpark, CA
Moorpark High School

6'1''

196

77

Wyoming
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Jacob Charest
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Matthews, NC
David W Butler

6'4''

192

77

Illinois
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Justin Tuggle
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Duluth, GA
Northview High School

6'3''

205

77

Boston College
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Deaunte Mason
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Nashville, TN
Pearl-Cohn High School

6'4''

210

77

Kentucky
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Robert Griffin
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Copperas Cove, TX
Copperas Cove High School

6'3''

195

77

Baylor
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Calzone Lord · #8 07-22-2012, 05:11 PM

Sadly, with Rose Junction's dead last finish in the Sanford -- Pletcher is off to a 1-for-19 start after 3 days.

We are all rooting hard for Mr. Pletcher as he is such a brilliant horseman and we know he will overcome this slow start and win this years Saratoga training title like the idol he is.

VOL JACK · #9 07-22-2012, 05:16 PM

His one winner was a freak though.

outofthebox · #10 07-22-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Sadly, with Rose Junction's dead last finish in the Sanford -- Pletcher is off to a 1-for-19 start after 3 days.

We are all rooting hard for Mr. Pletcher as he is such a brilliant horseman and we know he will overcome this slow start and win this years Saratoga training title like the idol he is.

Rose Junction had no business on the track today! She warmed up worse than some of the 3500 claimers i see at EVD. Hopefully she will be ok.