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[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I went directly to the source, The United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics not some article.

You are posting unemployment numbers. Not job loss numbers. Those are two different things. Wisconsin leads the country is jobs lost over the past 6 months. And the figures proving that are posted in everything I cited.

And here's another review of Wisconsin's record setting, disastrous job loss, from today:

http://www.epi.org/blog/wisconsin-an...ector-workers/

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are posting unemployment numbers. Not job loss numbers. Those are two different things. Wisconsin leads the country is jobs lost over the past 6 months. And the figures proving that are posted in everything I cited.

And here's another review of Wisconsin's record setting, disastrous job loss, from today:

http://www.epi.org/blog/wisconsin-an...ector-workers/

Why let the facts interrupt your crusade. I can't count how many times you stated that wisconsin had XX many months of straight job loss.
MADISON (AP) - Wisconsin labor officials say the state added 12,500 jobs in January.

Data the Department of Workforce Development released Thursday shows the state added 15,700 jobs but lost 3,200 government jobs.

The state's unemployment rate fell slightly, from 7 percent in December to 6.9 percent in January. The agency cautioned the figures were preliminary but said unemployment was at its lowest since December 2008.



If it were up to the unions and the democrats we would have more job losses in order for them to get Scott Walker recalled. Who has the peoples best interest in mind? The ones who are willing to sacrifice their own in order to get Walker out of office? I noticed you had nothing to say about the letter from the Teachers unions to the MTA...

Facts only the Facts

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Why let the facts interrupt your crusade. I can't count how many times you stated that wisconsin had XX many months of straight job loss.

Because it's true.

But, hey, you keep talking about "facts".

I'm glad the one month of January, after the six straight months of job loss, was a net gain, while the unemployment rates you quote for January of course have nothing to do with job joss numbers for the previous six straight months of job loss in Wisconsin.

Why you think that your quoting one month of January someone magically makes the months of July through December 2011 - the six straight months of job loss that occurred in Wisconsin - invalid, I don't know. Can you explain how that works? Via the "facts"?

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politi...job-loss-.html.

January 2012
MADISON – Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released a report compiling job numbers for every state in the Union. The report shows Wisconsin is the only state to have lost jobs for the past six straight months, while the nation as a whole has gained jobs for 22 straight months.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because it's true.

But, hey, you keep talking about "facts".

I'm glad the one month of January, after the six straight months of job loss, was a net gain, while the unemployment rates you quote of course have nothing to do with job joss numbers.

Why you think that your quoting one month of January someone magically makes the months of July through December 2011 invalid, I don't know. Can you explain how that works? Via the "facts"?

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politi...job-loss-.html.

What about Jan '11 thru June '11? Did you post those numbers also that show all of the job gains that more than nulifies all losses? How do the results look from the day Walker took office as compared to the Doyle Administration? Imagine if the democrats worked with governor Walker how many jobs we could have added instead of fighting recalls, political battles,etc

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

What about Jan '11 thru June '11? Did you post those numbers also that show all of the job gains that more than nulifies all losses?

What about it? Wisconsin's massive, country-leading six months of job losses were the last six months of 2011, under Governor Walker. According to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, your statement is completely false.

Wisconsin is still behind in jobs, the jobs lost have not be replaced, although January, as you posted in another thread, had a net gain. But no, that little net gain in January didn't replace all losses.

Absolutely the thousands of jobs lost in 2011 have not already been replaced. Post your numbers if you are going to make crazy claims.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What about it? Wisconsin's massive, country-leading six months of job losses were the last six months of 2011, under Governor Walker. According to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, your statement is completely false.

Wisconsin is still behind in jobs, the jobs lost have not be replaced, although January, as you posted in another thread, had a net gain. But no, that little net gain in January didn't replace all losses.

Absolutely the thousands of jobs lost in 2011 have not already been replaced. Post your numbers if you are going to make crazy claims.

Unlike your mysterious mining press release( that no one can find but supposidely you) the jobs numbers are available for your viewing pleasure. Try looking them up. I will give u a hint not on huffington or any liberal blog.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Unlike your mysterious mining press release( that no one can find but supposidely you)

LOL - I've told you the press conference from the company May 6th. Try your Wisconsin newspapers - which is where I got the info from.

the jobs numbers are available for your viewing pleasure. Try looking them up. I will give u a hint not on huffington or any liberal blog

I'm going by the published Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics numbers that show that Wisconsin had the worse job creation in the country, six straight months of job loss. You know, the links I've posted multiple times here? That are sitting in the other thread right now?

Oh, and here's the information from Drudge for you. Hardly a "liberal blog"

February 2012
Wisconsin’s six consecutive months with job loss

Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released a report compiling job numbers for every state in the Union. The report shows Wisconsin is the only state to have lost jobs for the past six straight months, while the nation as a whole has gained jobs for 22 straight months. Below is Rep. Pocan's statement on Wisconsin's dismal job performance under Governor Scott Walker:

http://www.drudge.com/news/153551/wi...ive-months-job

Post different if you have them. You don't. Six straight months of job loss under Walker. He's a job-loss disaster.

Oh: and here's Politifact showing how Walker attempting to use in-state job numbers (Wisconsin Workforce Development) rather than Federal Bureau of Labor Stats numbers, in an attempt to fudge the numbers and make himself look good - is faked. Just read down through all the updates, which shows how Walker's claims are not true.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...0000-new-jobs/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What about it? Wisconsin's massive, country-leading six months of job losses were the last six months of 2011, under Governor Walker. According to the Federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, your statement is completely false.

Wisconsin is still behind in jobs, the jobs lost have not be replaced, although January, as you posted in another thread, had a net gain. But no, that little net gain in January didn't replace all losses.

Absolutely the thousands of jobs lost in 2011 have not already been replaced. Post your numbers if you are going to make crazy claims.

Wis. adds jobs in February, unemployment steady

By ASSOCIATED PRESS Thursday, March 22, 2012 - 1:01 p.m. MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Wisconsin added 4,000 private sector jobs in February while the state's unemployment rate remained unchanged at 6.9 percent.

The report released by the state Department of Workforce Development on Thursday marks the second month in a row that Wisconsin has added jobs. In the first two months of the year, Wisconsin added 17,800 private sector jobs.

Through February, the state had added just 8,100 private sector jobs compared with before Walker took office in January 2011.

Keep it up Governor!

At the pace set the last two months that comes to 106,000/year, three more years and he's got the 250K jobs promised easy!

Now if Obama could only honor his promise to cut the deficit instead of doubling it!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Keep it up Governor!

At the pace set the last two months that comes to 106,000/year, three more years and he's got the 250K jobs promised easy!

Now if Obama could only honor his promise to cut the deficit instead of doubling it!

Just imagine if the legislature actually worked together to help achieve job growth instead of wasting time and money fighting the govenor every step he takes

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are posting unemployment numbers. Not job loss numbers. Those are two different things. Wisconsin leads the country is jobs lost over the past 6 months. And the figures proving that are posted in everything I cited.

And here's another review of Wisconsin's record setting, disastrous job loss, from today:

http://www.epi.org/blog/wisconsin-an...ector-workers/

Again from the Labor Dept. itself employed in WI!

Including those public sector blood sucking jobs that were cut

2011 Jan 3069656(B) 2833068(B)
2011 Feb 3070780(B) 2836783(B)
2011 Mar 3070312(B) 2838145(B)
2011 Apr 3067707(B) 2836190(B)
2011 May 3063898(B) 2831604(B)
2011 Jun 3060386(B) 2826899(B)
2011 Jul 3058088(B) 2824515(B)
2011 Aug 3057357(B) 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 3057366(B) 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 3057248(B) 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 3056534(B) 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 3056367(B) 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 3054720(P) 2844774(P)

1rst number is labor force second employed!

Get a clue. KY and your native IL is what should be following WI lead.

On Wisconsin !!!!

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Again from the Labor Dept. itself employed in WI!

Including those public sector blood sucking jobs that were cut

2011 Jan 3069656(B) 2833068(B)
2011 Feb 3070780(B) 2836783(B)
2011 Mar 3070312(B) 2838145(B)
2011 Apr 3067707(B) 2836190(B)
2011 May 3063898(B) 2831604(B)
2011 Jun 3060386(B) 2826899(B)
2011 Jul 3058088(B) 2824515(B)
2011 Aug 3057357(B) 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 3057366(B) 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 3057248(B) 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 3056534(B) 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 3056367(B) 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 3054720(P) 2844774(P)

1rst number is labor force second employed!

Get a clue. KY and your native IL is what should be following WI lead.

On Wisconsin !!!!

Math...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Math...

I've met this Riot in person. She's a mess, trust me!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Math...

No, we haven't gotten to "math". We are still trying to get Dell to understand that we are not talking about percentage of unemployed compared to those working, but number of jobs lost.

No. Those are not. the. same. thing. Apples and oranges. Actually, apples and vegetables.

As illustrated on the graph, and in the multiple articles I linked to. Wisconsin: worst job loss in the nation. Six straight months of job loss.

Except in Dell and Wiphan's imaginary fantasy land of denial.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, we haven't gotten to "math". We are still trying to get Dell to understand that we are not talking about percentage of unemployed compared to those working, but number of jobs lost.

No. Those are not. the. same. thing. Apples and oranges. Actually, apples and vegetables..

Let me be as simple as possible for you

2011 Aug 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 2844774(P)

The above numbers represent the actual number of those employed in WI month by month (jobs). These numbers are also supplied directly from the U.S. Bureau of Labor not dailykos, huffipoo etc.

September's number is larger than August. Then October more jobs, November even more, December more and unbelievably January even larger for 5 straight months of job growth. See when the number comes back larger it means jobs gained not lost (again despite the slashing of thousands of needless, redundant, economy sucking public sector jobs and their over inflated benefits that come with them) thus indicating the private sector is alive and well in Wisconsin. So well in fact the President visited MasterLock, in Milwaukee in an attempt to take credit for bringing back jobs from China despite having absolutely nothing to do with it.

Math must have been one of your tougher subjects in school.

Probably why Wisconsin is under 7% unemployment rate while KY is struggling at 9%. (Have some veggies with your fruit)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Let me be as simple as possible for you

2011 Aug 2825784(B)
2011 Sep 2829775(B)
2011 Oct 2834554(B)
2011 Nov 2838869(B)
2011 Dec 2843199(B)
2012 Jan 2844774(P)

The above numbers represent the actual number of those employed in WI month by month (jobs). These numbers are also supplied directly from the U.S. Bureau of Labor not dailykos, huffipoo etc.

Sigh. Dell. This is not "math". This is "reading comprehension".

Again: the BLS unemployment rate you post (without reference, btw) are not the same thing as the BLS number of jobs available that I have posted.

They are not interrelated zero sum numbers dependent upon each other.
They are measuring two different things.
That's why the BLS lists both.

Want proof? Tell me, from the six months you've listed above, using your numbers, tell me how many factories closed in Wisconsin and how many job opportunities were lost?

You can't do it. That's because your numbers have nothing to do with it. Your numbers are only the actual number of people working. Your numbers do not reflect job opportunities open, available.

I am sorry you simply can't understand that.

Again: Wisconsin, 6 straight months of job loss 2011, the worse in the nation, and it's the actual BLS report, in the multiple references I have provided (which you've clearly not bothered to click on) that show that.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Again from the Labor Dept. itself employed in WI!

1rst number is labor force second employed!

God help us. Dell - the numbers you are posting are percentage of unemployed.

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. The percentage of unemployed out of the workforce is not the same thing as the number of jobs lost. The number of jobs lost does not correlate to that percentage. Apples and oranges.