cbo report on '13 obama budget

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Even if the above statement is correct that is not the point. The point is the government continues to lie to the people.

And for one day, you need to look at facts and figures, and not let your hate and name-calling stand in the way and give you preconceived ideas.

You say, "even if the above statement is correct that is not the point". Yes, that IS precisely the point. The point is not your hate of the government, your determination to ignore anything that will negatively color your opnion, and your blanket dismissal of facts in evidence to remove support for your opinion. The point is your opinion should be based in reality. Not your dismissal of fact.

Walker has measurable factual failures, such as Wisconsin losing more jobs than every other state in the past months, and you simply refuse to acknowlege these facts exist. So don't call me names. Because you look pretty loony.

No, the point is that every single year, for every single Congress and the budgets they make, as the CBO updates future budgets and current projections based upon changes to the tax base (our income, which constantly changes due to unemployment levels, etc), the figures change, and always have.

Calling it a "deliberate lie" is absurdly making personal the routine accounting procedures of this country.

And get real: $75 billion difference in projected vs closer real-time projection? That is a very accurate "what does the budget actually end up coming in at" figure! Our budget is trillions. $75 billion is nothing.

The truth is: President Obama is far more fiscally conservative than every other single Presidential candidate now running, and also preserves and grows the social programs we depend upon to be a first world country, while massively improving our nations health care and overall quality of life.

Wiphan says, "even if the above statement is correct that is not the point

In other words, you will never let your opinion be changed by the facts. That's absurd.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

And for one day, you need to look at facts and figures, and not let your hate and name-calling stand in the way and give you preconceived ideas.

You say, "even if the above statement is correct that is not the point". Yes, that IS precisely the point. The point is not your hate of the government, your determination to ignore anything that will negatively color your opnion, and your blanket dismissal of facts in evidence to remove support for your opinion. The point is your opinion should be based in reality. Not your dismissal of fact.

Walker has measurable factual failures, such as Wisconsin losing more jobs than every other state in the past months, and you simply refuse to acknowlege these facts exist. So don't call me names. Because you look pretty loony.

No, the point is that every single year, for every single Congress and the budgets they make, as the CBO updates future budgets and current projections based upon changes to the tax base (our income, which constantly changes due to unemployment levels, etc), the figures change, and always have.

Calling it a "deliberate lie" is absurdly making personal the routine accounting procedures of this country.

And get real: $75 billion difference in projected vs closer real-time projection? That is a very accurate "what does the budget actually end up coming in at" figure! Our budget is trillions. $75 billion is nothing.

The truth is: President Obama is far more fiscally conservative than every other single Presidential candidate now running, and also preserves and grows the social programs we depend upon to be a first world country, while massively improving our nations health care and overall quality of life.



In other words, you will never let your opinion be changed by the facts. That's absurd.

Stop being a hypocrite and people might actually listen to your opinion. I am not calling you names by any means just pointing out what many others on here have already done. If you point the finger at one side you better be willing to point your finger at the other side.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Stop being a hypocrite and people might actually listen to your opinion

I am not posting an "opinion". I am posting "facts". You know, those things that don't depend upon what your or my opinion is?

Fact: the real-time CBO evaluation of $75 billion in deficit over previous long-term projections is quite good, and these projections change every year, for every president. In other words, changing projections is normal and usual. And $75 billion is a very small amount, based upon income tax adjustments the government has to make (that's our income, which flucuates and is not always as anticipated)

Fact: Wisconsin has the worse job creation rate in the country over the past 6-7 months under Scott Walker, 49th in the country.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I am not posting an "opinion". I am posting "facts".

You know, those things that don't depend upon what your or my opinion is?

That is the funniest thing I heard today. Thanks for the laugh. Have a wonderful weekend. Happy St. Patty's Day!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

That is the funniest thing I heard today. Thanks for the laugh. Have a wonderful weekend. Happy St. Patty's Day!

You are simply unable to bring any other facts into this discussion about government budgets and CBO estimates, hum?

Just can't do it. Can only call names and leave. Got it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Fact: Wisconsin has the worse job creation rate in the country over the past 6-7 months under Scott Walker, 49th in the country.

Stop lying!

Wis monthly unemployment rate for the last year even w/the cuts to public sector jobs

2011 Jan 3069656(B) 2833068(B) 236588(B) 7.7(B)
2011 Feb 3070780(B) 2836783(B) 233997(B) 7.6(B)
2011 Mar 3070312(B) 2838145(B) 232167(B) 7.6(B)
2011 Apr 3067707(B) 2836190(B) 231517(B) 7.5(B)
2011 May 3063898(B) 2831604(B) 232294(B) 7.6(B)
2011 Jun 3060386(B) 2826899(B) 233487(B) 7.6(B)
2011 Jul 3058088(B) 2824515(B) 233573(B) 7.6(B)
2011 Aug 3057357(B) 2825784(B) 231573(B) 7.6(B)
2011 Sep 3057366(B) 2829775(B) 227591(B) 7.4(B)
2011 Oct 3057248(B) 2834554(B) 222694(B) 7.3(B)
2011 Nov 3056534(B) 2838869(B) 217665(B) 7.1(B)
2011 Dec 3056367(B) 2843199(B) 213168(B) 7.0(B)
2012 Jan 3054720(P) 2844774(P) 209946(P) 6.9(P)

6.9% last month reported. What's KY's rate?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Stop lying!

LOL. You stop lying. You're the only one I've ever seen make this argument. Not even the far right-wing blogs make this argument about Wisconsin.

By the way: you posted unemployment rates. Those are not lob loss numbers. Unemployment rate and job loss numbers are two entirely different things.

Use the real Federal Labor Statistic figures, as everyone else in the world does.

MADISON – Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics released a report compiling job numbers for every state in the Union. The report shows Wisconsin is the only state to have lost jobs for the past six straight months, while the nation as a whole has gained jobs for 22 straight months.

http://www.politiscoop.com/us-politi...job-loss-.html

Figures are in the above story.

Capitol Report: Wisconsin leads nation in job losses

Read more: http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loca...#ixzz1pJYgWU59

Figures contained in article.

Politifact: Wisconsin leads nation in job loss
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...0000-new-jobs/

Figures contained in article.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL. You stop lying. You're the only one I've ever seen make this argument. Not even the far right-wing blogs make this argument about Wisconsin.

By the way: you posted unemployment rates. Those are not lob loss numbers. Unemployment rate and job loss numbers are two entirely different things.

Use the real Federal Labor Statistic figures, as everyone else in the world does.



Figures are in the above story.



Figures contained in article.

Politifact: Wisconsin leads nation in job loss
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...0000-new-jobs/

Figures contained in article.

I went directly to the source, The United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, not some article.

BTW KY is 8.8% v. 6.9% WI

You are aware the lower the number the better? I'd be worrying about the State you live in!

http://data.bls.gov/map/MapToolServlet?survey=la

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I went directly to the source, The United States Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics not some article.

You are posting unemployment numbers. Not job loss numbers. Those are two different things. Wisconsin leads the country is jobs lost over the past 6 months. And the figures proving that are posted in everything I cited.

And here's another review of Wisconsin's record setting, disastrous job loss, from today:

http://www.epi.org/blog/wisconsin-an...ector-workers/