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[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

According to the labor contract the information should not have been released until the player has gone thru the entire appeals process. Someone at MLB leaked it and ESPN reported it. Neither should have been done and it should have been confidential until the appeal was heard and the suspension was set. Neither have been done. It is interesting that ESPN will sit on info like the Fine case but report the Braun positive test.

The damage to his reputation is already done even if he is exonerated thus lawsuits will be filed or settlements will be reached most likely

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

This is the problem with the leak of the info. Most people have already decided his guilt. Maybe he is guilty, maybe not but it should not have been reported until he made it thru the entire process.

[wiphan]

Fielder sweepstakes rumors:

Nationals now front runner
Rangers- still have a shot
If all else fails maybe, just maybe Brewers could be talked into 1-3 yr club or player option (but given Boras as his agent don't think it will happen)

Cubs-no way,
Mariners- No Way
Orioles- Not a shot

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Fielder sweepstakes rumors:

Nationals now front runner
Rangers- still have a shot
If all else fails maybe, just maybe Brewers could be talked into 1-3 yr club or player option (but given Boras as his agent don't think it will happen)

Cubs-no way,
Mariners- No Way
Orioles- Not a shot

What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

He won't go to the West Coast. Too far from his family. Huge family guy. Family is in FL. Don't believe it will happen, but I guess you never know.

Think Braun will be exonerated or serve 25 or 50 games?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by wiphan

He won't go to the West Coast. Too far from his family. Huge family guy. Family is in FL. Don't believe it will happen, but I guess you never know.

Think Braun will be exonerated or serve 25 or 50 games?

I don't know that I believe that. The market for his services is very narrow and if it wasnt about the money he wouldnt be repped by Boras and he wouldnt have left Milwaukee.

I still think that Texas is where Boras wants him though Washington is probably willing to pay the most. Just don't know who else has the money and need?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I don't know that I believe that. The market for his services is very narrow and if it wasnt about the money he wouldnt be repped by Boras and he wouldnt have left Milwaukee.

I still think that Texas is where Boras wants him though Washington is probably willing to pay the most. Just don't know who else has the money and need?

I think Boras sold him and he thought he could get a longer term high dollar deal with a competitive team. Problem is no one wants to commit the $ to him long term, because of his genetics and what may happen to his body in 5-8 yrs. Also his defense is sub par at best and will most likely only get worse. There is no doubt Boras and most likely Fielder want to be in Texas. I know some people in the organization and fielder is a very dedicated family man and a fierce competitor. He won't go to a crappy team just for the $. Fielder on an off day would do whatever he could to be with his family. He would fly out and back just to spend the day with the wife and kids. Who is left on the west coast anyway that would be interested in Fielder?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

You would think that the team would need an owner 1st.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

[jms62]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

What can they do?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What can they do?

MLB can do nothing, hope Braun doesn't sue them, which he won't because it isn't good to sue your employer

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by jms62

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

Learn the facts my friend about what happened. MLB has no leg to stand on. They are lucky Braun doesn't sue MLB for defamation. Listen to Braun's press conference and what they learned about how things were handled, specifically how the sample was mishandled. Braun and his lawyer had to go after the testing process because that was the only way to be exonerated. If you know Ryan or if you have followed him and his career at all you would not believe him to be a juicer. He is either the best liar ever or he is speaking from his heart and the truth. If he did take PED's he could have just admitted some wrong doing and just take the punishment and blame the system. He has a 9yr guaranteed contract. The test results shouldn't have been leaked and the way the sample was handled was very suspect.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Learn the facts my friend about what happened. MLB has no leg to stand on. They are lucky Braun doesn't sue MLB for defamation. Listen to Braun's press conference and what they learned about how things were handled, specifically how the sample was mishandled. Braun and his lawyer had to go after the testing process because that was the only way to be exonerated. If you know Ryan or if you have followed him and his career at all you would not believe him to be a juicer. He is either the best liar ever or he is speaking from his heart and the truth. If he did take PED's he could have just admitted some wrong doing and just take the punishment and blame the system. He has a 9yr guaranteed contract. The test results shouldn't have been leaked and the way the sample was handled was very suspect.

He does not appear to me to be a juicer and I believe him. My point to you was passing a lie detector is not "proving innocense" it simply is passing a lie detector especially one privately done. Thinking about this more MLB can do nothing but hopefully tighten its procedures so this cant happen again. Drug testing is good for the game.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.

[3kings]

[quote=Cannon Shell;841012]He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.[/QUOTE


Do you think he will be as productive with no Fielder plus the added scrutiny?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=3kings;841036]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.[/QUOTE


Do you think he will be as productive with no Fielder plus the added scrutiny?

Probably. "Protection" is a myth for the most part especially when the batter behind him bats from a different side. The guy has been ultra consistent and hits everywhere and everyone. He may get a few less pitches to hit, take more walks, etc but his season last year really wasnt that much different than his other 4 other than he stole more bases and struckout less. What is interesting is that his K rate has decreased with his walk rate has remained identical. His BABIP (batting average on balls in play) was high .350 but isnt far off his lifetime average of .339. He has improved as a hitter but his power numbers have been pretty static. Everyone deals with pressure differently but I would guess he will continue to hit.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...=OF#battedball

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...raunry02.shtml

[jms62]

Mets players take on Braun could be summed up in one emoticon

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1028102

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

I am bias as a brewer fan and a big fan of Braun, but will bet his numbers will not drop off and may improve this year playing with a chip on his shoulder. They lost fielder but got A. Ramirez. Look at his stats. They are very consistent just getting some national attention since the crew finally got some pitching last year. Here are his numbers. Pretty consistent since coming to the Majors at 23yrs of age

2007 .324, 34 hr, 97 rbi, .634 slugging
2008 .285, 37 hr., 106 RBi, .553 slugging
2009 .320, 32 hr, 114 rbi, .551 slugging
2010 .304, 25 hr, 103 rbi, .501 slugging
2011 .332, 33 hr, 111 rbi, .597 slugging