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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

My personal opinion is that all the troops should have been gone years ago. I am not "defending" Obama for anything, I am pointing out the facts:

Obama got 40,000 combat troops out a year before scheduled by Bush agreement
the Iraqi's asked us to leave 4,000-5,000 troops as trainers
Obama tried to work with the Iraqi's on that
Iraqi's wouldn't protect Americans
Obama said no those 4,00-5,000 trainers will not be there.

Geesh, how in the hell is the above, "Obama and his administration trying to stay in Iraq" ???? With no combat troops?

because they would have stayed had iraq agreed. we wanted to stay! why do you not get that? iraq wouldn't agree to our demand for immunity for our troops, so they aren't staying. had iraq said fine to that, we'd have people there still. for who knows how long.
like i said above, i'm glad they're all leaving. however, i think it's disingenuous of obama to put this as a big deal by him and his team, when in fact he was trying NOT to keep that promise.
but hey, obviously obama and co don't see it that way. more power to him and his fans.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

because they would have stayed had iraq agreed. we wanted to stay! why do you not get that?

Yes, we agreed that we would continue to train their troops with a skeleton force of non-combat troops as they ASKED US TO.

Yeah, screw the President for that! Except, the entire Republican party is today attacking him for saying, "no", and pulling those last 4,000-5,000 out.

Good god.

You're dinking the President who did exactly what you wanted, and not mad at the Republican party taking the opposite view and wanting to keep the troops there?

i think it's disingenuous of obama to put this as a big deal by him and his team

Oh, seriously? He simply announced the war was over! There was no self-congratulation in the least. You think that's taking credit and spiking the football? C'mon, 'Zig

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, we agreed that we would continue to train their troops with a skeleton force of non-combat troops as they ASKED US TO.

Yeah, screw the President for that! Except, the entire Republican party is today attacking him for saying, "no", and pulling those last 4,000-5,000 out.

Good god.

You're dinking the President who did exactly what you wanted, and not mad at the Republican party taking the opposite view and wanting to keep the troops there?



Oh, seriously? He simply announced the war was over! There was no self-congratulation in the least. You think that's taking credit and spiking the football? C'mon, 'Zig

for having a college degree, you can be dense.

i said i'm glad they're out. what i also said is i find it laughable he's touting this as doing a great deed, when it wasn't what he actually wanted! of course, had he managed to get them to stay, he'd have still tried to portray it as a good thing.

that's my last attempt. if you can't get it, i give up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

for having a college degree, you can be dense.

i said i'm glad they're out. what i also said is i find it laughable he's touting this as doing a great deed, when it wasn't what he actually wanted! of course, had he managed to get them to stay, he'd have still tried to portray it as a good thing.

that's my last attempt. if you can't get it, i give up.

Yeah, I do give up. For not having a college degree, you can be pretty dense yourself.

If Obama really wanted to "stay in Iraq", he would have found an excuse and left the skeleton training troops there anyway, don't you think?

He didn't. And he is sure being damned for, not only doing it, but not doing it. And wow, he sure spiked the football, and took credit for a final troop withdrawal on the date we've all known has been coming for years.

I give up, too.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, I do give up. For not having a college degree, you can be pretty dense yourself.

If Obama really wanted to "stay in Iraq", he would have found an excuse and left the skeleton training troops there anyway, don't you think?

He didn't. And he is sure being damned for, not only doing it, but not doing it. And wow, he sure spiked the football, and took credit for a final troop withdrawal on the date we've all known has been coming for years.

I give up, too.

yes, he did want them to stay. so did the pentagon. the only stickler was immunity. iraq wouldn't grant it. had they done so, we'd keep trainers there.

at any rate, glad they're all coming out. now, if only we could get out of afganistan. because whether it's one year from now or ten, i don't think the end result will change.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, I do give up. For not having a college degree, you can be pretty dense yourself.

If Obama really wanted to "stay in Iraq", he would have found an excuse and left the skeleton training troops there anyway, don't you think? He didn't. And he is sure being damned for, not only doing it, but not doing it. And wow, he sure spiked the football, and took credit for a final troop withdrawal on the date we've all known has been coming for years.

I give up, too.

yes, he did want them to stay. so did the pentagon. the only stickler was immunity. iraq wouldn't grant it. had they done so, we'd keep trainers there. i wouldn't have stayed without it either. you can't order people to a post, order them to act, and then take the chance they'd be criminally charged for following an order!

at any rate, glad they're all coming out. now, if only we could get out of afganistan. because whether it's one year from now or ten, i don't think the end result will change.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now, if only we could get out of afganistan. because whether it's one year from now or ten, i don't think the end result will change.

I completely agree with you on that one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I completely agree with you on that one.

and it's why we should never have gone there! if the end result can't be what you want, then what is the point? there'd have been other ways to get bin laden and his cohorts.
i'm no dove or quaker. but for christs sake, if you're not going in to win the thing, don't effing go in.
darwin is wrong, there is no evolution, else we'd be smarter by now.