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Danzig · #1 10-21-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

You mean like when combat troops were supposed to all come home now per the Agreement, but Obama got combat troops out a year ago last August?

And it seems unfair to say, "Obama fought tooth and nail to keep us over there", when the Iraqi's wanted us to keep some troops there to train, but then wouldn't accomodate what the US demands were.

yes, obama and company wanted to stay. the sole sticking point was immunity, iraq wouldn't grant it.
you can call it unfair all you want, it doesn't change the truth of the matter.

Riot · #2 10-21-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, obama and company wanted to stay.

Because the Iraqis requested us to, and only with a few thousand training troops ! "Obama and company wanted to stay" - except where he got 40,000 combat troops out a year early?

Well, we can all be happy that's done.

Danzig · #3 10-21-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Because the Iraqis requested us to, and only with a few thousand training troops !

Well, we can all be happy that's done.

yes, we can only consider obama in a good light. sorry, i forgot that. although he and his administration were doing everything possible to stay, absolutely i give him sole credit for not doing so. he should have statues built in his honor for doing what was said would be done, regardless of what he really wanted.

Riot · #4 10-21-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, we can only consider obama in a good light. sorry, i forgot that. although he and his administration were doing everything possible to stay, absolutely i give him sole credit for not doing so. he should have statues built in his honor for doing what was said would be done, regardless of what he really wanted.

Well, the Republican Party and the GOP Presidential candidates are today uniformly and aggressively attacking Obama for getting the troops out and not staying

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...raq-withdrawal

How DARE Obama end that war!

US politics are completely effed.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #5 10-21-2011, 04:11 PM

he took the troops from iraq and sent them to afganistan..wake up riot..your lame duck prez is done..

Riot · #6 10-21-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

he took the troops from iraq and sent them to afganistan..wake up riot..your lame duck prez is done..

Yes, that's what we ELECTED Obama to do, precisely what he SAID he would do: take the troops from Bush's faked and lied about war in Iraq, go into Afghanistan, and kill bin Laden.

And oh, yeah, there were lots of Republicans who wanted the direction to be after the terrorists in Afghanistan, too - until bin Laden was actually killed by this President.

Mission accomplished.

It's hilarious, watching the Obama-hating right twist itself into pretzels to attack a President of the United States for following a Bush Agreement and ending a war.

The Republican party has become a ridiculous parody of its most crazy base members.

Danzig · #7 10-21-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

he took the troops from iraq and sent them to afganistan..wake up riot..your lame duck prez is done..

yeah, not sure when that'll end. not looking too good. had we not gone to iraq way back when, we'd probably be out of afganistan by now too. that way, instead of just helping nato in libya, we could have invaded syria by now too.

see, wars are bad. unless a democrat is for them, then they're good.

Riot · #8 10-21-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, not sure when that'll end. not looking too good. had we not gone to iraq way back when, we'd probably be out of afganistan by now too. that way, instead of just helping nato in libya, we could have invaded syria by now too.

see, wars are bad. unless a democrat is for them, then they're good.

So you are of the position that the US should be involved in zero wars?

We should not have pulled out of Iraq and moved into Afghanistan where the terrorists actually were?

We should not have gone and tried to get bin Laden?

When the Libyan resistance asked the US for help, we should not have gone to NATO for them, and gotten British and French troops to help them, instead of us, while we provided missles and drones and kept our troops out of it?

Just trying to figure out your position.

Danzig · #9 10-21-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Well, the Republican Party and the GOP Presidential candidates are today uniformly and aggressively attacking Obama for getting the troops out and not staying

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...raq-withdrawal

How DARE Obama end that war!

US politics are completely effed.

well, they're idiots too. but then, if you think they are wrong for saying we should stay, how can you defend obama for trying to do the same?? and yeah, he tried. and tried.

yeah, they're effed, because we're all effed i suppose.

Riot · #10 10-21-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

well, they're idiots too. but then, if you think they are wrong for saying we should stay, how can you defend obama for trying to do the same?? and yeah, he tried. and tried.

My personal opinion is that all the troops should have been gone years ago. I am not "defending" Obama for anything, I am pointing out the facts:

Obama got 40,000 combat troops out a year before scheduled by Bush agreement
the Iraqi's asked us to leave 4,000-5,000 troops as trainers
Obama tried to work with the Iraqi's on that
Iraqi's wouldn't protect Americans
Obama said no those 4,00-5,000 trainers will not be there.

Geesh, how in the hell is the above, "Obama and his administration trying to stay in Iraq" ???? With no combat troops?

Danzig · #11 10-21-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

My personal opinion is that all the troops should have been gone years ago. I am not "defending" Obama for anything, I am pointing out the facts:

Obama got 40,000 combat troops out a year before scheduled by Bush agreement
the Iraqi's asked us to leave 4,000-5,000 troops as trainers
Obama tried to work with the Iraqi's on that
Iraqi's wouldn't protect Americans
Obama said no those 4,00-5,000 trainers will not be there.

Geesh, how in the hell is the above, "Obama and his administration trying to stay in Iraq" ???? With no combat troops?

because they would have stayed had iraq agreed. we wanted to stay! why do you not get that? iraq wouldn't agree to our demand for immunity for our troops, so they aren't staying. had iraq said fine to that, we'd have people there still. for who knows how long.
like i said above, i'm glad they're all leaving. however, i think it's disingenuous of obama to put this as a big deal by him and his team, when in fact he was trying NOT to keep that promise.
but hey, obviously obama and co don't see it that way. more power to him and his fans.