Gaddafy dead

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i don't know how anyone thinks this is good for us in the long run.

I'll take a shot at that: We sent in Tomahawk cruise missles, and predator drones, no troops, to help a civil war, and a horrible dictator controlling one of the largest oil sources in the world and a good amount of Mediterranian coastline is gone.

That the Libyan people tore apart a leader who horribly and brutally tortured his own people for 40 years is their deal - rather than put him to trial and "have an accounting" - well, what exactly would you hope for, in that "accounting"? The "rule of law" was besmerched because they beat their murderous dictator to death? There was no rule of law - it was a dictatorship! I'm sure the people are quite happy at his death at the hands of the rebel troops, rather than have some "trial" (in a country where that system doesn't even exist)

Libya is wealthy in oil, and doesn't have tribal and religious factions tearing it apart, and the country is united in it's goal. It will be up and running as a democratic new country quickly. Probably do far better than Egypt.

We're done there.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll take a shot at that: We sent in Tomahawk cruise missles, and predator drones, no troops, to help a civil war, and a horrible dictator controlling one of the largest oil sources in the world and a good amount of Mediterranian coastline is gone.

That the Libyan people tore apart a leader who horribly and brutally tortured his own people for 40 years is their deal - rather than put him to trial and "have an accounting" - well, what exactly would you hope for, in that "accounting"? The "rule of law" was besmerched because they beat their murderous dictator to death? There was no rule of law - it was a dictatorship! I'm sure the people are quite happy at his death at the hands of the rebel troops, rather than have some "trial" (in a country where that system doesn't even exist)

Libya is wealthy in oil, and doesn't have tribal and religious factions tearing it apart, and the country is united in it's goal. It will be up and running as a democratic new country quickly. Probably do far better than Egypt.

We're done there.

i guess where we differ is where we place our optimism. i think you're betting that the french revolution doesn't produce napoleon. hope i'm wrong and you're right.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i guess where we differ is where we place our optimism. i think you're betting that the french revolution doesn't produce napoleon. hope i'm wrong and you're right.

I understand what you are saying, we'll see. I see Libya as very different from the other countries east of Africa.

[DaTruth]

I've followed the rebellion in Libya with a little more interest than most Americans because I lived in Libya when I was very young. My family and many other Western families who were there because of the oil industry left Libya as Gadaffi began to take greater control of that industry.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

I've followed the rebellion in Libya with a little more interest than most Americans because I lived in Libya when I was very young. My family and many other Western families who were there because of the oil industry left Libya as Gadaffi began to take greater control of that industry.

How do you think they will recover post Gadaffi?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Riot

How do you think they will recover post Gadaffi?

That largely depends on how secular the post-Gadaffi government is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll take a shot at that: We sent in Tomahawk cruise missles, and predator drones, no troops, to help a civil war, and a horrible dictator controlling one of the largest oil sources in the world and a good amount of Mediterranian coastline is gone.

That the Libyan people tore apart a leader who horribly and brutally tortured his own people for 40 years is their deal - rather than put him to trial and "have an accounting" - well, what exactly would you hope for, in that "accounting"? The "rule of law" was besmerched because they beat their murderous dictator to death? There was no rule of law - it was a dictatorship! I'm sure the people are quite happy at his death at the hands of the rebel troops, rather than have some "trial" (in a country where that system doesn't even exist)

Libya is wealthy in oil, and doesn't have tribal and religious factions tearing it apart, and the country is united in it's goal. It will be up and running as a democratic new country quickly. Probably do far better than Egypt.

We're done there.

Yeah we are done there unless some other outside influence gains a foothold there and creates their own fiefdom. Think the Chinese or Russians wouldnt trade arms/technology to the next govt/leader for a big chunk of that oil? What if (gasp) a islamic govt works its way into power and uses that oil money to sponsor terrorism? Especially frightening considering the location.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah we are done there unless some other outside influence gains a foothold there and creates their own fiefdom. Think the Chinese or Russians wouldnt trade arms/technology to the next govt/leader for a big chunk of that oil? What if (gasp) a islamic govt works its way into power and uses that oil money to sponsor terrorism? Especially frightening considering the location.

Rats! You're right! Ghaddafy never should have been overthrown! What a mistake that was! The unknown fear is worse! This is the worse thing ever! What was Obama thinking? What a crappy President! This is horrible! Obama has alot of screwups, but this tops them all!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Rats! You're right! Ghaddafy never should have been overthrown! What a mistake that was! The unknown fear is worse! This is the worse thing ever! What was Obama thinking? What a crappy President! This is horrible! Obama has alot of screwups, but this tops them all!

Can you please try to grow up for at least one thread?

Of course you dont remember but I supported Obama on this action on this board. Pretending that you know that some magical democracy will evolve here is silly. The Chinese supported the Sudanese Govt economically and with arms despite Sudan being very much in the worlds spotlight for human rights abuses. Don't you think they would love to be "friends" with the new govt? Don't you think Mr Putin would like to further Russian influence in the region?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Can you please try to grow up for at least one thread?

Of course you dont remember but I supported Obama on this action on this board. Pretending that you know that some magical democracy will evolve here is silly. The Chinese supported the Sudanese Govt economically and with arms despite Sudan being very much in the worlds spotlight for human rights abuses. Don't you think they would love to be "friends" with the new govt? Don't you think Mr Putin would like to further Russian influence in the region?

You're the one that just said we'll be there if any of that happens in the future. I'm glad you're omniscent enough to accurately predict our involvement in that. Good to plan 10 years ahead. Certainly you are not "silly", let alone childish, in pretending what you know.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You're the one that just said we'll be there if any of that happens in the future. I'm glad you're omniscent enough to accurately predict our involvement in that. Good to plan 10 years ahead. Certainly you are not "silly", let alone childish, in pretending what you know.

Uh I just said we probably wont have much influence there.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Rats! You're right! Ghaddafy never should have been overthrown! What a mistake that was! The unknown fear is worse! This is the worse thing ever! What was Obama thinking? What a crappy President! This is horrible! Obama has alot of screwups, but this tops them all!

he had a point. no one yet knows how libya will evolve now. much like iraq, no one will shed a tear that hussein is dead...but iraq hasn't exactly turned out golden since hussein was killed. libya could well end the same way. other countries wish for us to remain in iraq, but iraq does not. the others in that area know that iran will most likely end up the dominate power there, and they don't want that.


at any rate, i just want to know why libya. what was the point of it? why did nato go in? they're valid questions, regardless of how rotten the leader of that country is. it's our money, our weapons, our future. i don't think an explanation of the point is too much to ask.

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/exclusiv...094911231.html


you know...it's amazing. people get on here and bitch about spending, but then applaud this expense. people question priorities, and then celebrate this... one. billion. dollars. yeah, money well spent, right? what roi are we looking at herre?

it's just like iraq and afganistan. trillions spent on countries worth millions. lol and we wonder why we're deep in debt. can't afford to pay for programs, but we can freaking buy weapons. brilliant.

[Antitrust32]

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/a...mpid=125219969

Now this is something I really really really support!!

[clyde]

"Now this is something I really really really support!!"




Really,really.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/a...mpid=125219969

Now this is something I really really really support!!

i support it as well. but this made me laugh and roll my eyes:


"I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year," Obama said. "After nearly nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over."



yeah, now he claims credit. guy worked his ass off trying to get them to let us stay. but no agreement reached because iraq wouldn't give our soldiers immunity from prosecution. so, obama touts a promise kept, while actually doing everything possible not to keep it!!

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/exclusiv...094911231.html


you know...it's amazing. people get on here and bitch about spending, but then applaud this expense. people question priorities, and then celebrate this... one. billion. dollars. yeah, money well spent, right? what roi are we looking at herre?

it's just like iraq and afganistan. trillions spent on countries worth millions. lol and we wonder why we're deep in debt. can't afford to pay for programs, but we can freaking buy weapons. brilliant.

.......maybe we should take the oil.....fck um.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

.......maybe we should take the oil.....fck um.

that's something else that always cracked me up, when we'd tell iraq they had to pay for the cost of us invading them. we want repaid for money spent. hello, iraq has to pay for us bombing them, causing billions in damage? did they invite us to do this?? well, no.