Baseball Playoffs

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

When the Tigers acquired Fister they became the best team in baseball. Right now at this second, Verlander/Fister is a better 1-2 than Halladay/Lee and it's not even really close. The better team won that series without question. I don't know how he does it looking at him throw, but Fister was a great pitcher all year, he didn't get a heckuva lot of run support in Seattle.

I'll ignore the ridiculous Fister hagiography, and just ask, what the hell makes you say that? They got outscored 28-17.

[slotdirt]

Didn't the Red Sox have almost an even run differential during their September collapse despite winning like six games? I'm not sure counting cumulative score is necessarily indicative of, well, anything.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Didn't the Red Sox have almost an even run differential during their September collapse despite winning like six games? I'm not sure counting cumulative score is necessarily indicative of, well, anything.

Really? Take a look at the MLB standings. They go almost exactly according to run differential. The top four in the NL were the four that made the playoffs. Three of the top four in the AL made the playoffs (Boston was third, Tampa was fifth). It's one of the best indicators of how good a team is.

But that's what a short series can do. It can propel the inferior team if they leave fewer runners on base and get slightly better starting pitching.

And the Red Sox were -23 in September.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? Take a look at the MLB standings. They go almost exactly according to run differential. The top four in the NL were the four that made the playoffs. Three of the top four in the AL made the playoffs (Boston was third, Tampa was fifth). It's one of the best indicators of how good a team is.

But that's what a short series can do. It can propel the inferior team if they leave fewer runners on base and get slightly better starting pitching.

And the Red Sox were -23 in September.

The Yankees most certainly have a better lineup than Detroit but the pitching staff they ran out there was weak. Had they won last night they were heading into a series with Texas where Colon/Hughes/Garcia were going to have to start games. They were a flawed team which is why they lost last night.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'll ignore the ridiculous Fister hagiography, and just ask, what the hell makes you say that? They got outscored 28-17.

Look at Fister's record and stats since the trade. His stats were really good before the trade too, but he was the best starting pitcher in baseball once he got to Detroit. Make of it what you will, it's a sample size of 10 starts, and for those 10 starts he was the best in the league. You pair that with Verlander, I stand by it. I saw it happen. They were malingering with cleveland all summer long, Fister came, game, set, match.

The Tigers won. Just like I will say Sunday Silence was a better horse than Easy Goer despite Easy Goer having run faster if you combine all 4 races, but Sunday Silence was 3-1 in those 4 races, it's pretty easy logic. I don't put much stock into the Yankees murdering the Tigers lesser relief pitchers in game 4, not much at all. Verlander's better than Sabathia, Fister's better than Nova...both of them all year long, that's pretty much why I state they're better.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Look at Fister's record and stats since the trade. His stats were really good before the trade too, but he was the best starting pitcher in baseball once he got to Detroit. Make of it what you will, it's a sample size of 10 starts, and for those 10 starts he was the best in the league. You pair that with Verlander, I stand by it. I saw it happen. They were malingering with cleveland all summer long, Fister came, game, set, match.

Stop it. Scherzer was better than him in this series by a wide margin. Fister's a nice pitcher and had a good year, but he got rocked his second and third times through the order by the Yankees. That'll happen to him against any good lineup.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Stop it. Scherzer was better than him in this series by a wide margin. Fister's a nice pitcher and had a good year, but he got rocked his second and third times through the order by the Yankees. That'll happen to him against any good lineup.

AJ Burnett was better than CC Sabathia by a wide margin in that series too, that can happen in a one game sample size. I don't think anyone's confused as to who is the better Yankee pitcher as noone is confused as to whether Fister or Scherzer was a better pitcher this year. I think Fister pitched fine in game 5. Cano went deep his 3rd time up, I'm not sure who else was rocking him 2nd and 3rd time through last night.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Look at Fister's record and stats since the trade. His stats were really good before the trade too, but he was the best starting pitcher in baseball once he got to Detroit. Make of it what you will, it's a sample size of 10 starts, and for those 10 starts he was the best in the league. You pair that with Verlander, I stand by it. I saw it happen. They were malingering with cleveland all summer long, Fister came, game, set, match.

The Tigers won. Just like I will say Sunday Silence was a better horse than Easy Goer despite Easy Goer having run faster if you combine all 4 races, but Sunday Silence was 3-1 in those 4 races, it's pretty easy logic. I don't put much stock into the Yankees murdering the Tigers lesser relief pitchers in game 4, not much at all. Verlander's better than Sabathia, Fister's better than Nova...both of them all year long, that's pretty much why I state they're better.

He had a great season and probably should have won 17-18 games had he gotten even league average run support. 3.17 runs a game is laughably low. Though his great run down the stretch came against all weak lineups including cleveland 4 times, the Royals 2 times, Minnesota, Orioles, the Rays and A's.