unions killing jobs...

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The reason people are anti-union is they have seen them destroy the automobile industry and the majority of public schools in this country and are concerned about the rest.

Unions have not single-handedly destroyed anything (let's talk frankly about the utterly incompetent and terrible management of some of the automobile companies that lead them to the brink far beyond any union pensions they gave to their employees). Let alone the public school system (witness the destruction of "no child left behind" and lack of funding). That's absurd hyperbole to blame the unions for corporate malfeasance. But it is exactly what the GOP wants you to think.

"Sure, we brought the US to the very brink of economic disaster with our Wall Street buddies but ... it was the unions fault! It was the Democrats fault! We are awesome business managers! In fact, what we need is even less regulation, and even less accountability! Then give us what little you have left, Social Security and Medicare, and let us manage that for you, too!" - the Republican Party, speaking for their corporate owners.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Unions have not single-handedly destroyed anything (let's talk frankly about the utterly incompetent and terrible management of some of the automobile companies that lead them to the brink far beyond any union pensions they gave to their employees). Let alone the public school system (witness the destruction of "no child left behind" and lack of funding). That's absurd hyperbole to blame the unions for corporate malfeasance. But it is exactly what the GOP wants you to think.

"Sure, we brought the US to the very brink of economic disaster with our Wall Street buddies but ... it was the unions fault! It was the Democrats fault! We are awesome business managers! In fact, what we need is even less regulation, and even less accountability! Then give us what little you have left, Social Security and Medicare, and let us manage that for you, too!" - the Republican Party, speaking for their corporate owners.

"Lack of funding" is the absurd. It costs more to send a kid to public school in Newark than it does to Yale. Money isn't the cure, though that is what the all powerful NJEA (insert any other state here) would have you think. Don't stop believing!

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

"Lack of funding" is the absurd. It costs more to send a kid to public school in Newark than it does to Yale. Money isn't the cure, though that is what the all powerful NJEA (insert any other state here) would have you think. Don't stop believing!

Don't you get it? We spend more money on education than other countries, and our education sucks. We are like 9th in reading internationally, and down in the mid-twenties in math and science. It's pathetic. We're incompetent educationally on the international stage. Our kids can't even afford college - and we just took more money from programs that help kids afford it. Republicans want to strip and privatize it, giving the last money left to corporations for making profit off it.

Education is currently being attacked and even mocked as unnecessary. We have multiple candidates for President of the United States that publicly and proudly simply disregard science and education in favor of cults. It's un-effing-believable. We are an international laughingstock, pitied by other countries as they have watched us fall further and further behind.

You blame the teachers unions. Nonsense. It's the targeted funding to programs that work. Bush -yes, Bush - threw tons of money into the useless No Child Left Behind program that encouraged the very thing you decry. Yes, we need proper funding, appropriate funding as part of trying to get our pathetically uneducated kids educated.

The Republican party is desperately stripping every last cent they can out of what's left of this country, to give to private business, and that's pretty much Social Security, Medicare, and school funding. And they can't do it unless they demonize what stands in their way: teachers, firefighters, policemen ("public unions").

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No Child left behind was good intentions from Bush, but not a good policy.

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

No Child left behind was good intentions from Bush, but not a good policy.

True. It turned disastrous. Obama immediately halted it in like the first month after he was elected. But I fear he is going too much to charter schools, which puts it right into the hands of privateers. Yes, Obama is very Republican in many ways.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Don't you get it? We spend more money on education than other countries, and our education sucks. We are like 9th in reading internationally, and down in the mid-twenties in math and science. It's pathetic. We're incompetent educationally on the international stage.

You blame the teachers unions. Nonsense. It's the targeted funding to programs that work. Bush -yes, Bush - threw tons of money into the useless No Child Left Behind program that encouraged the very thing you decry. Yes, we need proper funding, appropriate funding.

I hate Obama, Bush, Congress, Senate and Clinton all the same. I blindly follow no one's agenda but my own. Pointing the finger at the NCLB is ludicrous, at least it was an effort to hold teachers accountable and was authored by Miller and Boehner if my memory is correct. Also was very popular among both parties (no doubt the left side was lobbied to love it since it would get $$$ into the pockets of the unions).