Spending

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Once again Riot's graph is sorely outdated if not distorted and does not take into consideration the budgets since Bush left office.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-fy11-spending

Your article doesn't even mention the deficit. Your article is about budgets in a superficial way, and doesn't even mention deficit contributions.

And no, the graph is not distorted, and not really outdated with the exception of Libya (considering the PPACA is self-funded to a net zero-zero, and the only major legislative thing to pass) It is accurate for when it was made, and surely is 100% accurate to reflect the Bush year's contribution to the debt and Obama's first year.

You can keep dissing it, but I suggest that if you want to do that, you point out which actual figures should be adjusted or that you feel are inaccurate. The references for the graph are at the cbpp website.

Or, you can list the deficit additions actually made since 2009 (hard to do, as we just are finishing that budget) with the extrapolations out over 20 years, and add them on top of the figures in the graph. Give us some hard figures. Just dismissing the entire graph by throwing random attack stuff against the wall to see if something sticks is silly and unproductive.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your article doesn't even mention the deficit. Your article is about budgets in a superficial way, and doesn't even mention deficit contributions.

And no, the graph is not distorted, and not really outdated with the exception of Libya (considering the PPACA is self-funded to a net zero-zero, and the only major legislative thing to pass) It is accurate for when it was made, and surely is 100% accurate to reflect the Bush year's contribution to the debt and Obama's first year.

You can keep dissing it, but I suggest that if you want to do that, you point out which actual figures should be adjusted or that you feel are inaccurate. The references for the graph are at the cbpp website.

Or, you can list the deficit additions actually made since 2009 (hard to do, as we just are finishing that budget) with the extrapolations out over 20 years, and add them on top of the figures in the graph. Give us some hard figures. Just dismissing the entire graph by throwing random attack stuff against the wall to see if something sticks is silly and unproductive.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-us-economy/

and if you want to continue to blame Bush for Obama's budgets give Reagan and Bush Sr. the credit for Clinton's surplus.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-us-economy/

and if you want to continue to blame Bush for Obama's budgets give Reagan and Bush Sr. the credit for Clinton's surplus.

Yes, Dell, let's give all the Presidents, especially Reagan and Bush W., credit for putting us deep in debt:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_newsro...-with-the-debt "How did our national debt get so big?"

Obama is indeed responsible for his own stimulus - we were in a recession, recall? Where stimulus is a good thing? - which is still less than the debt Bush W left us from his wars and unfunded tax cuts.

The point is: it is unfunded tax cuts and unfunded wars that have skyrocketed our debt.