Spending

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.slate.com/id/2291054/


an interesting article..have no idea if it's accurate or not.

Letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire cuts our deficit in half in 10 years.

That's why the left was so very angry at Obama when he reniged on his campaign promise, and continued the Bush tax cuts for 2 more years, as a giveaway to the Republicans to get START signed. That's why they were screaming to at least let the tax cuts for the wealthy expire in the recession.

Two years ago, the Tea Party was yelling at town hall meetings, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!" Well, they voted for the very people - the Republican budget - the party that has now publicly announced they want to eliminate those Tea Party folks Medicare completely in 10 years, and put the elderly back into poverty, and back into no health care. (It is a constant amazement to me, how some people vote against their own desires and self-interest). Oh, yeah, and use that increase in our income from saving that Medicare money, to finance the newest tax cuts for the wealthy.

Oh, pay down the debt? Let's have another fake Washington orgasm over clipping a few billion out of 0.17% of our budget, and say we did well, and pat ourselves on the back and call it historic.

[dellinger63]

Once again Riot's graph is sorely outdated if not distorted and does not take into consideration the budgets since Bush left office.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-fy11-spending

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Once again Riot's graph is sorely outdated if not distorted and does not take into consideration the budgets since Bush left office.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-fy11-spending

Your article doesn't even mention the deficit. Your article is about budgets in a superficial way, and doesn't even mention deficit contributions.

And no, the graph is not distorted, and not really outdated with the exception of Libya (considering the PPACA is self-funded to a net zero-zero, and the only major legislative thing to pass) It is accurate for when it was made, and surely is 100% accurate to reflect the Bush year's contribution to the debt and Obama's first year.

You can keep dissing it, but I suggest that if you want to do that, you point out which actual figures should be adjusted or that you feel are inaccurate. The references for the graph are at the cbpp website.

Or, you can list the deficit additions actually made since 2009 (hard to do, as we just are finishing that budget) with the extrapolations out over 20 years, and add them on top of the figures in the graph. Give us some hard figures. Just dismissing the entire graph by throwing random attack stuff against the wall to see if something sticks is silly and unproductive.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your article doesn't even mention the deficit. Your article is about budgets in a superficial way, and doesn't even mention deficit contributions.

And no, the graph is not distorted, and not really outdated with the exception of Libya (considering the PPACA is self-funded to a net zero-zero, and the only major legislative thing to pass) It is accurate for when it was made, and surely is 100% accurate to reflect the Bush year's contribution to the debt and Obama's first year.

You can keep dissing it, but I suggest that if you want to do that, you point out which actual figures should be adjusted or that you feel are inaccurate. The references for the graph are at the cbpp website.

Or, you can list the deficit additions actually made since 2009 (hard to do, as we just are finishing that budget) with the extrapolations out over 20 years, and add them on top of the figures in the graph. Give us some hard figures. Just dismissing the entire graph by throwing random attack stuff against the wall to see if something sticks is silly and unproductive.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-us-economy/

and if you want to continue to blame Bush for Obama's budgets give Reagan and Bush Sr. the credit for Clinton's surplus.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...al-us-economy/

and if you want to continue to blame Bush for Obama's budgets give Reagan and Bush Sr. the credit for Clinton's surplus.

Yes, Dell, let's give all the Presidents, especially Reagan and Bush W., credit for putting us deep in debt:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_newsro...-with-the-debt "How did our national debt get so big?"

Obama is indeed responsible for his own stimulus - we were in a recession, recall? Where stimulus is a good thing? - which is still less than the debt Bush W left us from his wars and unfunded tax cuts.

The point is: it is unfunded tax cuts and unfunded wars that have skyrocketed our debt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire cuts our deficit in half in 10 years.

That's why the left was so very angry at Obama when he reniged on his campaign promise, and continued the Bush tax cuts for 2 more years, as a giveaway to the Republicans to get START signed. That's why they were screaming to at least let the tax cuts for the wealthy expire in the recession.

Two years ago, the Tea Party was yelling at town hall meetings, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!" Well, they voted for the very people - the Republican budget - the party that has now publicly announced they want to eliminate those Tea Party folks Medicare completely in 10 years, and put the elderly back into poverty, and back into no health care. (It is a constant amazement to me, how some people vote against their own desires and self-interest). Oh, yeah, and use that increase in our income from saving that Medicare money, to finance the newest tax cuts for the wealthy.

Oh, pay down the debt? Let's have another fake Washington orgasm over clipping a few billion out of 0.17% of our budget, and say we did well, and pat ourselves on the back and call it historic.

i also disagreed with lowering ss payments-for what?

[Antitrust32]

if we talk presently we need to call them the Bush/Obama tax cuts if we want to be factually correct. The tax cuts are on both guys since the Savior Obama signed on to extend them.

You are going no where if you keep on thinking Obama has been better than Bush... same old same old, he even bombs countries like Bush. They are basically the same guy.

And if Riot keeps on highlighting points of her speech, I'm outta here. ugh.