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View Poll Results: The Government must spend
Whatever they want, regardless of debt and deficit levels 0 0%
Less than they take in, and pay off the debt over time. 15 93.75%
Nearly nothing, and aggressively pay off the debt. 1 6.25%
Enough to break the system, Cloward and Piven style 0 0%
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:58 PM
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again stop with your made up chart. It's not a BOP graph. .
Baloney. You keep saying it's made up, yet it's a perfectly valid and accurate graph, using perfectly true and valid numbers, it's appeared in multiple publications, and nobody - least of all you - has ever disproven it's validity.
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:07 PM
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Baloney. You keep saying it's made up, yet it's a perfectly valid and accurate graph, using perfectly true and valid numbers, it's appeared in multiple publications, and nobody - least of all you - has ever disproven it's validity.
First of all it was created over a year ago and projects deficit numbers going foward into 2019 w/o even taking into consideration the mega budgets Obama has put through.

No mention of Obamacare as well so that graph you posted might as well be three times higher with socialized medicine towering over anything represented in the CBPP graph. And BTW Huffington and Salon do not make up 'numerous publications.'
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:11 PM
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First of all it was created over a year ago and projects deficit numbers going foward into 2019 w/o even taking into consideration the mega budgets Obama has put through.

No mention of Obamacare as well so that graph you posted might as well be three times higher with socialized medicine towering over anything represented in the CBPP graph. And BTW Huffington and Salon do not make up 'numerous publications.'
Sorry, Dell. You can keep attacking the messenger, (which I find funny, as you can't attack the data), but the fact remains that the chart and the figures within it, originally published on the website with multiple verifiable references as to where the numbers came from, if you'd bother to check - clearly show the majority of our deficit is from the unfunded Bush Tax Cuts, and the unfunded wars.

What references, exactly, on the CBPP website that went into the chart do you think are not accurate?

Obama "mega budgets" - have you missed what happened this week? We just finished the current budget? What "mega budgets" do you think have been "put through"? (as we are far behind on budgets)

And you clearly have no idea the financial impact of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care act upon the deficit. You might try looking that up. You'd be pleasantly surprised.

In fact, you can look at the very recent CBO estimates, of what would happen to the deficit if the Republicans repealed the PPACA.
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:37 PM
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Sorry, Dell. You can keep attacking the messenger, (which I find funny, as you can't attack the data), but the fact remains that the chart and the figures within it, originally published on the website with multiple verifiable references as to where the numbers came from, if you'd bother to check - clearly show the majority of our deficit is from the unfunded Bush Tax Cuts, and the unfunded wars.

What references, exactly, on the CBPP website that went into the chart do you think are not accurate?

Obama "mega budgets" - have you missed what happened this week? We just finished the current budget? What "mega budgets" do you think have been "put through"? (as we are far behind on budgets)
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Bush's budget in his last year, 2008 was 2.982 Trillion (800 Billion for the wars.)

Obama's first year budget 2009 was 3.517 trillion and 2010 3.37 trillion so that's roughly 800 billion MORE over 2 years w/o the Iraq war and now we're going to cut 35 billion? LMAO. Add those budgets to the graph and project to 2016.
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:37 PM
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Bush's budget in his last year, 2008 was 2.982 Trillion (800 Billion for the wars.)
A budget is not a deficit. A budget is what you spend every year. A deficit is what you owe, in total. They are not the same thing.
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A budget is not a deficit. A budget is what you spend every year. A deficit is what you owe, in total. They are not the same thing.
Nobody, except the Govt., makes a budget that includes a deficit!
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Nobody, except the Govt., makes a budget that includes a deficit!
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Nobody, except the Govt., makes a budget that includes a deficit!
To quote Charlie Sheen: "WINNING"
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Nobody, except the Govt., makes a budget that includes a deficit!
Except people who have mortgages, car payments, and credit card debt.

And just remember the Republican way to deal with your debt: when that mortgage balloon payment comes due, be sure to deal with it by cutting your income by working less hours, and spend less on food to cover the cost of your "budget deficit". You can fix your budget deficit by spending cuts and income giveaways! Slash your way to prosperity.
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Old 04-12-2011, 07:20 PM
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my total debt, mortgage, car, etc, doesn't add up to above a years salary for me and my husband. now, that's budgeting....ah, if only the govt could do the same. oh, and zero credit cards! i highly recommend it.

alexander hamilton knew how to make your debt work for you. no doubt he's turning in his grave.
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