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[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Get a clue, PLEASE.

Learn to post your opinion without putting others down, afterall it's only your opinion. Failure to do so makes you appear narrow-minded!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Learn to post your opinion without putting others down, afterall it's only your opinion. Failure to do so makes you appear narrow-minded!

Im not at all, you said similar then go off and name 2 forwards. The reasson I said get a clue is because the 2 bigs you mentioned are both productive NBA players. Personally I think the Jimmer is much better then Reddick.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Im not at all, you said similar then go off and name 2 forwards. The reasson I said get a clue is because the 2 bigs you mentioned are both productive NBA players. Personally I think the Jimmer is much better then Reddick.

They are similar in their perceived lack of NBA skill sets coming out of college. Position had nothing to do with the comparison. There is a place for blue collar types in the NBA, every team has them and they can contribute and have long careers.Time will tell if Jimmer is better than Reddick, he seems to have a more advanced ability to create his own shot but Reddick has certainly developed that. I'm not sure the Knicks would be the best place for him (as was suggested earlier as draft analysis). I've been following the NBA since the 50's, seen a lot of success stories and unfortunately a lot of busts. One of the best college players I ever saw was Archie Talley from Salem College, small college player of the year with unbelievable ball handling and shooting skills, drafted by the Knicks, tried to make the Globe Trotters and ended up playing in Europe...never made the NBA.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

They are similar in their perceived lack of NBA skill sets coming out of college. Position had nothing to do with the comparison. There is a place for blue collar types in the NBA, every team has them and they can contribute and have long careers.Time will tell if Jimmer is better than Reddick, he seems to have a more advanced ability to create his own shot but Reddick has certainly developed that. I'm not sure the Knicks would be the best place for him (as was suggested earlier as draft analysis). I've been following the NBA since the 50's, seen a lot of success stories and unfortunately a lot of busts. One of the best college players I ever saw was Archie Talley from Salem College, small college player of the year with unbelievable ball handling and shooting skills, drafted by the Knicks, tried to make the Globe Trotters and ended up playing in Europe...never made the NBA.

By the way TH had another outstanding game tonight, 11-18 from the field, 5-5 from the line, 27 points, 4 offensive boards, 7 defensive boards, and a steal against the Bulls.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

By the way TH had another outstanding game tonight, 11-18 from the field, 5-5 from the line, 27 points, 4 offensive boards, 7 defensive boards, and a steal against the Bulls.

oops, my bad, game in OT...he just hit another field goal, will post final stats when game is over!

[Cannon Shell]

Can we please not overstate the production of Hansborough or Blair.They are strictly role players. Reddick does not create many shots, or I should say does not create many shots that go in. He is still much better as a catch and shoot or spot up jump shooter. He has developed his overall game but most players improve.

Let's also get this straight PG1985, Jimmer Fredette is only going to be effective on a team where he is only asked to playing short spurts and for a coach that doesn't stress a half court or defensive game. He has glaring weaknesses in his game. He commits too many turnovers and has zero chance of guarding anyone but terrible shooters at the next level. BUT that doesn't mean he can't play a role for a particular team like Golden State or the Knicks.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Can we please not overstate the production of Hansborough or Blair.They are strictly role players. Reddick does not create many shots, or I should say does not create many shots that go in. He is still much better as a catch and shoot or spot up jump shooter. He has developed his overall game but most players improve.

Let's also get this straight PG1985, Jimmer Fredette is only going to be effective on a team where he is only asked to playing short spurts and for a coach that doesn't stress a half court or defensive game. He has glaring weaknesses in his game. He commits too many turnovers and has zero chance of guarding anyone but terrible shooters at the next level. BUT that doesn't mean he can't play a role for a particular team like Golden State or the Knicks.

Not trying to build up TH into the second coming but he has been playing extremely well lately since Indiana staff has given him more minutes...tonight in their OT win vs the Bulls...12-19 from the field, 5-5 from the line, 29 points, 12 boards, an assist and 2 steals. Glad to have him on my fantasy team. His career is still young, perhaps he is better than many thought!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Not trying to build up TH into the second coming but he has been playing extremely well lately since Indiana staff has given him more minutes...tonight in their OT win vs the Bulls...12-19 from the field, 5-5 from the line, 29 points, 12 boards, an assist and 2 steals. Glad to have him on my fantasy team. His career is still young, perhaps he is better than many thought!

He is actually much older than you think. He is 3 years older than Kevin Durant, turns 26 later this year. But it is good to see him get a chance and make something of it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is actually much older than you think. He is 3 years older than Kevin Durant, turns 26 later this year. But it is good to see him get a chance and make something of it.

Yeah, last 7 games, all with 30+ minutes: 29, 10 (with 11 boards), 30,29, 20,21,and 26 points...really nice run!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yeah, last 7 games, all with 30+ minutes: 29, 10 (with 11 boards), 30,29, 20,21,and 26 points...really nice run!

The Knick games should get asterisked.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Blair is not 6'8", closer to 6"6"
No one is making the argument that JF is going to be a really good player but unlike those guys listed he can score and if Eddie House can play 10 years in the NBA, JF can make it too. Hell Steve Nash is an abysmal defensive player and he is a shoo in hall of famer.

Blair has an nba body. The only reason he slipped so bad was his physical.

Which one of those players listed couldn't score?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Blair has an nba body. The only reason he slipped so bad was his physical.

Which one of those players listed couldn't score?

Blair is short for his position. He gets a lot of props but he is averaging 8 points and 7 rebounds a game. Not bad but if he had been a lottery pick no one would be touting him very much.

None of those players are scoring threats except in the flow of an offense. In other words as long as they arent the primary option. JF can score effectively in many ways.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Blair is short for his position. He gets a lot of props but he is averaging 8 points and 7 rebounds a game. Not bad but if he had been a lottery pick no one would be touting him very much.

None of those players are scoring threats except in the flow of an offense. In other words as long as they arent the primary option. JF can score effectively in many ways.

Blair starts for the number one team in the west. He is short but wide and athletic. Big baby is the same way. He is a solid nba player. I don't know how he was compared to fredette but that is a weird comparison that really makes no sense. I don't remember you bringing him in so let's drop blair.

The last paragraph there makes no real sense either. Alford couldn't score in many ways? Respert couldn't? Morrison? Monroe?

Those guys weren't the primary options in college?? Morrison wasn't???

Fredette is the backcourt Adam morrison.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Blair starts for the number one team in the west. He is short but wide and athletic. Big baby is the same way. He is a solid nba player. I don't know how he was compared to fredette but that is a weird comparison that really makes no sense. I don't remember you bringing him in so let's drop blair.

The last paragraph there makes no real sense either. Alford couldn't score in many ways? Respert couldn't? Morrison? Monroe?

Those guys weren't the primary options in college?? Morrison wasn't???

Fredette is the backcourt Adam morrison.

There is a reason why Blair's minutes are heavily monitored. He may start but he usually plays less than half the game and that probably wont change much.

None of those players could score in the NBA. There is no reason why Fredette can't. He could easily work as a change of pace guy off the bench in the right system. Morrison was just too slow and didnt have nearly enough range to make up for it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is a reason why Blair's minutes are heavily monitored. He may start but he usually plays less than half the game and that probably wont change much.

None of those players could score in the NBA. There is no reason why Fredette can't. He could easily work as a change of pace guy off the bench in the right system. Morrison was just too slow and didnt have nearly enough range to make up for it.

How do you know fredette can score in the NBA? Respert, Morrison and hopson were all better prospects and were lottery picks in deeper drafts. They were all dominant scorers and the primary focus of their respective offenses in college. Respert was 6 1 195 and quicker than fredette who is 6 2 195.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How do you know fredette can score in the NBA? Respert, Morrison and hopson were all better prospects and were lottery picks in deeper drafts. They were all dominant scorers and the primary focus of their respective offenses in college. Respert was 6 1 195 and quicker than fredette who is 6 2 195.

It is pretty obvious that the guy can shoot the ball. He not only has range, he can hit the mid range shot, stopping on a dime. That is a pretty easily assimilated skill.

Respert? The guy couldnt shoot off the dribble and didn't have the luxury of getting 4 or 5 layups a game like he did in college . Morrison? Hopson? I mean really? Using failed "prospects" as examples of why a completely different guy won't make it is an unusual tactic. Why was Respert a bust when Eric Snow his backcourt teammate who was picked 43rd in the same draft wasn't (relatively) despite being slower and a lot less skilled player?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is pretty obvious that the guy can shoot the ball. He not only has range, he can hit the mid range shot, stopping on a dime. That is a pretty easily assimilated skill.

Respert? The guy couldnt shoot off the dribble and didn't have the luxury of getting 4 or 5 layups a game like he did in college . Morrison? Hopson? I mean really? Using failed "prospects" as examples of why a completely different guy won't make it is an unusual tactic. Why was Respert a bust when Eric Snow his backcourt teammate who was picked 43rd in the same draft wasn't (relatively) despite being slower and a lot less skilled player?

Eric snow was a 6' 3" pg. Respert was a 6' 1" sg. That's my point. Snow was a good sized pg while respert was a hopelessly short sg that wasn't athletic enough to overcome his deficiencies to be a success in the pros. In order to overcome that lack of size, respert would have had to be extremely athletic like A.I or Gilbert athletic. Fredette isn't that athletic. He isn't even close.

Now, name me all of the 6' 2" white 2 guards playing in the pros.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Eric snow was a 6' 3" pg. Respert was a 6' 1" sg. That's my point. Snow was a good sized pg while respert was a hopelessly short sg that wasn't athletic enough to overcome his deficiencies to be a success in the pros. In order to overcome that lack of size, respert would have had to be extremely athletic like A.I or Gilbert athletic. Fredette isn't that athletic. He isn't even close.

Now, name me all of the 6' 2" white 2 guards playing in the pros.

You are missing the point. Snow didnt make it because he was 2 inches taller than Respert. He made it because he could play a role where Respert could not. Respert didnt shoot poorly in the NBA because he was 6'1". He shot poorly because he wasn't open all the time like he was in college.

Vinny Johnson wasn't tall or particularly athletic. Jason Kapono isnt athletic. Craig Hodges wasn't athletic. Steve Kerr wasn't quick or athletic. But they all can play a role as either instant offense off the bench or as a deep threat. Not one of these guys could guard Freddy mo but they all are longtime NBA players.

NBA games are 48 minutes long. There is a place for a guy who can score and shoot the way JF does. No one is saying that he is going to be an all star or even a starter. But is Toney Douglas really much better? Or DJ Augustin? He plays 33 minutes a game and averages 5 assists. Fredette isn't as good as Daniel Gibson? Or Jordan Farmar? Or Mario Chalmers? AJ Price can play 15 minutes a game in the league but Fredette can't? Acie Law? Ronnie Price?
Chris Quinn? Really?

[slotdirt]

Dear Jay Bilas:

GO F yourself.

Kindly signed,
VCU

[dalakhani]

I don't disagree that he will be drafted and will stick around for his rookie contract. His impact will be minimal.

He won't contribute or play as much as chalmers because he can't defend like chalmers who is an excellent perimeter defender.

All of the guys you named can defend Nba pg's to some degree. Fredette cant and he has no hope defending twos.

Again, how many 6' 2" white shooting guards are in the NBA?