Is racing doing this right?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't think racing - as to how it relates specifically to fans/bettors only - has much of an actual integrity problem Freddy.

You have a few trainers at every circuit who have an edge and seem to be getting over - but it's no secret who most are. There's not much you can do to stop that beyond drug testing. Some athletes and their trainers are getting over in all the other sports as well.

I don't believe people are betting after the bell. Canceling tickets after the start of the race is harder now than before. I don't see anything really suspicious that looks like possible race fixing ever.

you just had an imposter horse run at Sunland. I watched a horse go from 3/5 to 5/2 at Philly two weeks ago in 20 seconds as the gate opened. the other 3/1 went to 7/5 and jogged. All this as they were in the gate? The track wouldnt even be there if it wasnt for the casino.

[Sightseek]

When I first started to become a racing fan, it was nearly impossible to watch a race. This hasn't changed much with the exception of Keeneland offering live streaming on their website. Having to pay (either through a cable or dish provider) or set up an online account to see live races is silly -- not to mention that most of us still, or not to long ago, had to have multiple accounts or both TVG and HRTV to get all of the tracks we wanted to see. Why are you going to go through all of those troubles if you are only curious about the sport?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

When I first started to become a racing fan, it was nearly impossible to watch a race. This hasn't changed much with the exception of Keeneland offering live streaming on their website. Having to pay (either through a cable or dish provider) or set up an online account to see live races is silly -- not to mention that most of us still, or not to long ago, had to have multiple accounts or both TVG and HRTV to get all of the tracks we wanted to see. Why are you going to go through all of those troubles if you are only curious about the sport?

Fair enough Nic but were curious about TC horses and or major stakes quality types or did you want to be tickled by today Turf paradise spectacular?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Fair enough Nic but were curious about TC horses and or major stakes quality types or did you want to be tickled by today Turf paradise spectacular?

You're talking to someone who watches Mountaineer and Charles Town on Saturday nights.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You're talking to someone who watches Mountaineer and Charles Town on Saturday nights.

Well that is something that needs to change.. In the beginning BEFORE you were hooked did you really care about a Thistle thursday?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Well that is something that needs to change.. In the beginning BEFORE you were hooked did you really care about a Thistle thursday?

Well the original point of my post was that the current model is putting the cart before the horse.

That said, I can see your point that the original draw for the potential new fan is going to be the exciting stakes horse, but if a track provided the races before and after a particular stake, don't you think it is possible that someone is going to see that a) non-stakes races can be just as exciting b) money can be made in those races too?

I don't mean this to sound as if this is the cure to racing, but to get back to the topic of how racing is using technology correctly, I think this is an area in which they fail for the most part. Though improvements have been made.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Well the original point of my post was that the current model is putting the cart before the horse.

That said, I can see your point that the original draw for the potential new fan is going to be the exciting stakes horse, but if a track provided the races before and after a particular stake, don't you think it is possible that someone is going to see that a) non-stakes races can be just as exciting b) money can be made in those races too?

I don't mean this to sound as if this is the cure to racing, but to get back to the topic of how racing is using technology correctly, I think this is an area in which they fail for the most part. Though improvements have been made.

agreed

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

you just had an imposter horse run at Sunland.

Because someone got over in one quarter horse race at Sunland shouldn't scare anyone into thinking they might be betting on an imposter favorite.

Originally Posted by freddymo

I watched a horse go from 3/5 to 5/2 at Philly two weeks ago in 20 seconds as the gate opened. the other 3/1 went to 7/5 and jogged. All this as they were in the gate? The track wouldnt even be there if it wasnt for the casino.

What's crazy about a lot of those big late odds shifts is that you can almost always see them coming by watching exchange market action at Betfair and Ehorsex - Mountaineer and Philly especially. I'm not sure there is anything dirty about them.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because someone got over in one quarter horse race at Sunland shouldn't scare anyone into thinking they might be betting on an imposter favorite.




What's crazy about a lot of those big late odds shifts is that you can almost always see them coming by watching exchange market action at Betfair and Ehorsex - Mountaineer and Philly especially. I'm not sure there is anything dirty about them.

A horse racing at a major(pursewise anyway) track went from 3/5 to 5/2 while in the gate and you dont think there was monkey business and chicanery?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

A horse racing at a major(pursewise anyway) track went from 3/5 to 5/2 while in the gate and you dont think there was monkey business and chicanery?

I'm not aware of the race you're referring to so I have no idea.

Did the horse break bad? Either an absolute flood of money had to come in on another horse - or a large win bet was canceled from the sounds of it.

Remember 2001 and 2002 - when these huge odds plunges kept happened all over? The Monarchos/Invisible Ink entry took like a couple hundred thousand dollar win bet in the Florida Derby at the last second.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm not aware of the race you're referring to so I have no idea.

Did the horse break bad? Either an absolute flood of money had to come in on another horse - or a large win bet was canceled from the sounds of it.

Remember 2001 and 2002 - when these huge odds plunges kept happened all over? The Monarchos/Invisible Ink entry took like a couple hundred thousand dollar win bet in the Florida Derby at the last second.

Horse should have been 3/1 based on form. The TVG guys were like how the heck is this horse 3/5 as they were in the gate. As the gate opens the 3/1 should be fav goes to 7/5 and the 3/5 goes to 5/2.. 5/2 never competes 7/5 airs by 6.. pure BS that no serious gambler could ever stomach

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Horse should have been 3/1 based on form. The TVG guys were like how the heck is this horse 3/5 as they were in the gate. As the gate opens the 3/1 should be fav goes to 7/5 and the 3/5 goes to 5/2.. 5/2 never competes 7/5 airs by 6.. pure BS that no serious gambler could ever stomach

And how is this chicanery and monkey business?

You say a horse that should be favored anyway was 3/1 - because another horse was appearing to take unsuspected action.

Once the gates opened the odds merely came to what you feel was reality.

I suppose the BS and complaints would come from gamblers who hoped the 3/1 would hold on a horse they assumed should go off at 7/5?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And how is this chicanery and monkey business?

You say a horse that should be favored anyway was 3/1 - because another horse was appearing to take unsuspected action.

Once the gates opened the odds merely came to what you feel was reality.

I suppose the BS and complaints would come from gamblers who hoped the 3/1 would hold on a horse they assumed should go off at 7/5?

the pools were total manipulated..You know like used too do..lol