Is racing doing this right?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

you just had an imposter horse run at Sunland.

Because someone got over in one quarter horse race at Sunland shouldn't scare anyone into thinking they might be betting on an imposter favorite.

Originally Posted by freddymo

I watched a horse go from 3/5 to 5/2 at Philly two weeks ago in 20 seconds as the gate opened. the other 3/1 went to 7/5 and jogged. All this as they were in the gate? The track wouldnt even be there if it wasnt for the casino.

What's crazy about a lot of those big late odds shifts is that you can almost always see them coming by watching exchange market action at Betfair and Ehorsex - Mountaineer and Philly especially. I'm not sure there is anything dirty about them.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because someone got over in one quarter horse race at Sunland shouldn't scare anyone into thinking they might be betting on an imposter favorite.




What's crazy about a lot of those big late odds shifts is that you can almost always see them coming by watching exchange market action at Betfair and Ehorsex - Mountaineer and Philly especially. I'm not sure there is anything dirty about them.

A horse racing at a major(pursewise anyway) track went from 3/5 to 5/2 while in the gate and you dont think there was monkey business and chicanery?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

A horse racing at a major(pursewise anyway) track went from 3/5 to 5/2 while in the gate and you dont think there was monkey business and chicanery?

I'm not aware of the race you're referring to so I have no idea.

Did the horse break bad? Either an absolute flood of money had to come in on another horse - or a large win bet was canceled from the sounds of it.

Remember 2001 and 2002 - when these huge odds plunges kept happened all over? The Monarchos/Invisible Ink entry took like a couple hundred thousand dollar win bet in the Florida Derby at the last second.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm not aware of the race you're referring to so I have no idea.

Did the horse break bad? Either an absolute flood of money had to come in on another horse - or a large win bet was canceled from the sounds of it.

Remember 2001 and 2002 - when these huge odds plunges kept happened all over? The Monarchos/Invisible Ink entry took like a couple hundred thousand dollar win bet in the Florida Derby at the last second.

Horse should have been 3/1 based on form. The TVG guys were like how the heck is this horse 3/5 as they were in the gate. As the gate opens the 3/1 should be fav goes to 7/5 and the 3/5 goes to 5/2.. 5/2 never competes 7/5 airs by 6.. pure BS that no serious gambler could ever stomach

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Horse should have been 3/1 based on form. The TVG guys were like how the heck is this horse 3/5 as they were in the gate. As the gate opens the 3/1 should be fav goes to 7/5 and the 3/5 goes to 5/2.. 5/2 never competes 7/5 airs by 6.. pure BS that no serious gambler could ever stomach

And how is this chicanery and monkey business?

You say a horse that should be favored anyway was 3/1 - because another horse was appearing to take unsuspected action.

Once the gates opened the odds merely came to what you feel was reality.

I suppose the BS and complaints would come from gamblers who hoped the 3/1 would hold on a horse they assumed should go off at 7/5?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And how is this chicanery and monkey business?

You say a horse that should be favored anyway was 3/1 - because another horse was appearing to take unsuspected action.

Once the gates opened the odds merely came to what you feel was reality.

I suppose the BS and complaints would come from gamblers who hoped the 3/1 would hold on a horse they assumed should go off at 7/5?

the pools were total manipulated..You know like used too do..lol

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

the pools were total manipulated..You know like used too do..lol

I did it both on thoroughbreds as a teller when I was 18 - and I still do it everytime I visit a dog track.

It was not uncommon for me to have at least over ten thousand dollars worth of canceled tickets on my cash position at the end of a shift. In fact, I might have had a Joe DiMaggio like streak of it going. No one ever said a single thing about it ... and I doubt it even made much difference in helping me get an edge.

One day - all the machines froze and betting was down for a couple of minutes. I had like a couple thousand dollar win bet on a horse I hated in a race coming up in like 15 minutes. I was about to crap my pants and I went back to the money room to see if I could get the ticket canceled by computer when the machines came back up. I canceled the ticket and never did it again.

No sense taking a risk - when you're not sure an edge is even being created from it.

With dog racing - the strategy is to go up and make four win bets of $50 apiece on the four dogs I like least. This drives down the win odds - I go to a teller with 0 MTP - bet about $70 on quinella and trifecta combos involving the dogs I like... cancel the $200 in win tickets and ask for like a $130 voucher back. Basically - I think it's a good way of getting overlayed quinella and trifecta prices. The odds come back to reality right before the rabbit starts moving.

A simple misdirection of my betting competition in an effort to possibly gain an edge. A fine, upstanding tactic to be sure.