AZ Congresswoman in critical condition after shooting

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

anyone recall the outrage over this quote? I didn't think so.
compliments of dem rep Kanjorski.

I do. He's a crazy jackass, and he lost as he deserved.

You do realize that the, "If your friends jumped off the bridge, would you too?" defense didn't work with your mother, and doesn't work in the real world of political discourse now, right?

And BTW - very few big-name writers, writing in the media, have actually - truely - blamed Palin, Angle, etc. for this. That's a lie being repeated. Like the lie that the Sheriff in AZ "politicized" the conversation (he did not mention any political party, nor right, left, center, etc., in his Saturday statement against vitriolic rhetoric).

It was Giffords father who brought up the Tea Party, when asked if his daughter had any enemies, he responded, "The whole tea party". Only the Sheriff and Giffords (and her family) know the kind of threats she was getting. We don't.

Is the left wing bringing up past public statements calling for violence by those on the right? Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc? Yes, they surely are. It's a good time to do so. And yes, people like Kanjorski need to be there, too.

[hi_im_god]

"“We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us.” Obama to Latinos, October 2010"

from jim.

“If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s gonna be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”

and the actual violence laced quote.

[Riot]

ACORN? People are still freaking out about that? Turns out the pimp was a complete fake, he was kicked out and the police were called on him for his illegal activities at multiple ACORN offices, and he edited the tape to make ACORN look bad.

The New Black Panther Party - a Faux News creation of fear-mongering, two scary black dudes standing outside a voting place.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

ACORN? People are still freaking out about that? Turns out the pimp was a complete fake, he was kicked out and the police were called on him for his illegal activities at multiple ACORN offices, and he edited the tape to make ACORN look bad.

The New Black Panther Party - a Faux News creation of fear-mongering, two scary black dudes standing outside a voting place.

arlington jim made his usual 30 second drop in by posting alleged obama quotes from some right wing blog. i love the idea that someone can look at a quote of the president urging on a violent acorn mob and think "yeah! that really happened!"

[Riot]

Is Dallas responsible for Oswald's actions? Of course not. But should that type of violent rhetoric be tolerated, be part of the political discourse? Of course not.

If nobody remembers, Kennedy was warned by staff not to go to Dallas, they feared for his safety.

The Warren Commission made several findings in its report. One of its conclusions least remembered by the public today is this: Dallas was not to blame for Kennedy’s assassination or Oswald’s subsequent murder (while in police custody) by Jack Ruby.

Yes, back in 1963-64 the city of Dallas was suspected of somehow sharing responsibility for the killing, at least indirectly, because it fostered hatred for the president. As the report stated: “It has been suggested that one of the motivating influences operating on Lee Oswald was the atmosphere in the City of Dallas, especially an atmosphere of extreme opposition to President Kennedy…”

The Warren Commission examined right-wing extremism in Dallas and found it to be strong and prevalent. The report referred to Dallas’s “reputation of the twenties as ‘the Southwest hate capital of Dixie.’” There had been ugly confrontations when Johnson came to Dallas as a vice-presidential candidate during the 1960 campaign, and again when Adlai Stevenson came to the city in October 1963.

Virulent right-wing leaders in Dallas gave lectures and speeches denouncing the Kennedy Administration. In the days before the presidential motorcade was to parade through Dallas, ads appeared in the city’s newspapers condemning Kennedy, as well as nasty editorials and letters to the editors.

Security officials were especially concerned about a handbill that was circulated and posted in Dallas on Nov. 21, 1963, the day before Kennedy appeared and was assassinated. Beneath two photographs of the president, one from the front and one in profile, was the bold headline: WANTED FOR TREASON. The handbill said: “This man is wanted for treasonous activities against the United States.” It then listed seven charges against Kennedy, including “betraying the Constitution,” “turning the sovereignty of the U.S. over to communist-controlled United Nations,” and giving “support and encouragement to the communist-inspired racial riots.”

The Warren Commission report was released to the public on a Sunday afternoon. The next day, it was front page news for newspapers all across the country. Like everywhere else, the report’s conclusion that Oswald acted alone was on the front page of the Dallas papers. In addition, the city’s leading paper carried two additional front page articles about the report that were of particular interest locally: the exoneration of Dallas.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

arlington jim made his usual 30 second drop in by posting alleged obama quotes from some right wing blog. i love the idea that someone can look at a quote of the president urging on a violent acorn mob and think "yeah! that really happened!"

Being a veterinarian, my first thoughts thinking of "violent Acorn mobs" involved rabid squirrels.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

arlington jim made his usual 30 second drop in by posting alleged obama quotes from some right wing blog. i love the idea that someone can look at a quote of the president urging on a violent acorn mob and think "yeah! that really happened!"

In his slight defense it wasn't from a blog. He just copy and pasted from a pretty amusing thread on another message board. Facts aren't really important in the circle jerk they have going on over there.

[declansharbor]

http://thetimes-tribune.com/opinion/...#axzz1AgrQV5sH



"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

[Riot]

From The Politico, lost in the real tragedy of the last two days:

January 10, 2011
Colorado man charged with threatening Bennet

A Colorado man has been charged with assault for allegedly threatening to set fire to Sen. Michael Bennet’s Denver office and attack his staff, a day before the deadly shooting in Tucson.

According to court papers filed Friday, John Troy Davis, 44, made multiple calls to the Colorado Democrat’s office complaining about his Social Security benefits. He is due in court late Monday.

“I’m a schizophrenic and I need help,” Davis allegedly said in a phone call with a Bennet staffer. He later added: “I’m just going to come down there and shoot you all.” ... Davis allegedly said threatened to set fire to Bennet’s office. “To get your attention, I will go down there and set fire to the perimeter,” he said, adding that he “may go to terrorism.”

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

Like the lie that the Sheriff in AZ "politicized" the conversation (he did not mention any political party, nor right, left, center, etc., in his Saturday statement against vitriolic rhetoric).

Which made it all the more awesomely telling that absolutely nobody on the Left thought he was talking about them, and everyone on the Right went wild defending themselves against this attack "against them."

Hey, if the shoe fits...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida," Mr. Kanjorski said. "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."

"You know, our founding fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. In fact, you know, Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking towards those second amendment remedies and saying my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out." - Sharron Angle on a radio interview last fall before the election she lost.

They are BOTH out of line. Man up, be a tough momma grizzly, shoot a caribou - they are all posers playing with fire and saying, "Oh, oh, oh, THAT'S not what I meant!"

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Which made it all the more awesomely telling that absolutely nobody on the Left thought he was talking about them, and everyone on the Right went wild defending themselves against this attack "against them."

Hey, if the shoe fits...

Well it's not like this guy didn't have a history....uh...isn't he an elected official and didn't he run as a DEM?

Birds of a feather.... (see how I worked that in FOF's )

[Princess Doreen]

The liberal agenda is caving like a $2 suitcase, and the ultra-liberal lefties are so enraged about it that they'll pull anything out of a fire in retaliation. That's what this is all about.

Hateful rhetoric on either side of the political spectrum will not be tolerated by anyone who isn't a political zealot. It's never worked in the past, and it's surely not going to work now.

Blame started being formulated before the victims of this shooting made it to the ER.

It's about the victims - not about anyone's conjecture as to who they think is to blame. The only one to blame right now is the shooter. And unless and until some information comes forward that someone else is to blame besides him, everybody should just stop speculating.

And that County Sheriff "Nudnik" is one of the most incendiary persons who has had access to a microphone. He's covering his butt because in hindsight (pun intended) he's now thinking he should have done something to protect her - a definite Captain Hindsight.

[Riot]

The liberal agenda is caving like a $2 suitcase, and the ultra-liberal lefties are so enraged about it that they'll pull anything out of a fire in retaliation. That's what this is all about.

The "liberal agenda"? Didn't they just pass tons of Democratic signature laws? How is that "caving"?

I think "what it's all about" is an effing mass murder, Doreen.

Hateful rhetoric on either side of the political spectrum will not be tolerated by anyone who isn't a political zealot.

Yup. True. Let's see where that rhetoric is coming from over the past two years ....

And that County Sheriff "Nudnik" is one of the most incendiary persons who has had access to a microphone.

Nice lack of respect you have going there. A little hateful, don't you think?

Your statement is absurdly ridiculous on it's face. It's simply and factually false. You clearly haven't listened to it, have you? How could you have, and say that with a straight face. His statement was reasoned, and did NOT attack anybody or any party specifically. He deliberately went out of his way to limit it to "some", to not be broadly accusatory.

These words, a direct quote - and watch the tape, he was carefully choosing his words and speaking calmly and slowly - is what you characterize as "most incendiary? Are you kidding?

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

That is the statement you characterize as "most incendiary"? That's the statement the right wing has been in screaming hysterical overdrive of "not us! YOU!" about?

What a load of ... oh, I dunno ... political zealotry?

Sheriff Dupnik has been down there as Sheriff for 40 years. He's been there through the elections, through the healthcare debate, through immigration debates, through previous attacks on this and other elected officials down there. He's watched Arizona change, and he was asked what he thought could have contributed to the murders. He knew several of the people hurt and killed. He most certainly is entitled to his very educated, professional opinion about what contributes to violence in Tuscon.

"Covering his butt" ??? You're just making nonsensical crap up out of thin air.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Obama on ACORN Mobs, March 2010

and i thought to myself: "wtf? there were acorn mobs?"

it took me 30 seconds to google the quote and it's context:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/us...cs/21memo.html

“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry,” Mr. Obama said, his voice reaching a peak seven days after learning of the bonuses given to employees of the American International Group. “What I want to do, though, is channel our anger in a constructive way.”

good contribution, jim. well researched as usual.

White Race Advantage is an amazing "horse" sight..

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "liberal agenda"? Didn't they just pass tons of Democratic signature laws? How is that "caving"?

I think "what it's all about" is an effing mass murder, Doreen.



Yup. True. Let's see where that rhetoric is coming from over the past two years ....



Nice lack of respect you have going there. A little hateful, don't you think?

Your statement is absurdly ridiculous on it's face. It's simply and factually false. You clearly haven't listened to it, have you? How could you have, and say that with a straight face. His statement was reasoned, and did NOT attack anybody or any party specifically. He deliberately went out of his way to limit it to "some", to not be broadly accusatory.

These words, a direct quote - and watch the tape, he was carefully choosing his words and speaking calmly and slowly - is what you characterize as "most incendiary? Are you kidding?

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

That is the statement you characterize as "most incendiary"? That's the statement the right wing has been in screaming hysterical overdrive of "not us! YOU!" about?

What a load of ... oh, I dunno ... political zealotry?

Sheriff Dupnik has been down there as Sheriff for 40 years. He's been there through the elections, through the healthcare debate, through immigration debates, through previous attacks on this and other elected officials down there. He's watched Arizona change, and he was asked what he thought could have contributed to the murders. He knew several of the people hurt and killed. He most certainly is entitled to his very educated, professional opinion about what contributes to violence in Tuscon.

"Covering his butt" ??? You're just making nonsensical crap up out of thin air.

Clarence has toned down his rhetoric in today's interviews. Almost immediately after the shooting on Saturday, however, he stated that Loughner was inspired by conservative talk radio. He even admitted today that he spoke out of emotion rather than fact - something a law and order man shouldn't be doing.

Re his failure to protect Rep. Giffords. He knew she was a target, stated several happenings that gave out all sorts of warning signals - and I'm not talking about Sarah Palin's crosshairs graphic.

[Riot]

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QUOTE=Princess Doreen;741545]Clarence has toned down his rhetoric in today's interviews. Almost immediately after the shooting on Saturday, however, he stated that Loughner was inspired by conservative talk radio.

Nope. He didn't.

I watched every press conference Saturday, including watching live the first one he gave, where he made the original statement (which I quoted in the previous post) and I never heard him say that.

I have never seen any replay quote of the Sheriff saying that on any news program. Have you?

Don't you think if he really said that, they would be replaying that clip all over the news?

They can't replay anything. Because he never said it.

If he did say it, please provide a direct quote or video to support your contention, and I'll gladly correct my thinking that statement is false.

He even admitted today that he spoke out of emotion rather than fact - something a law and order man shouldn't be doing.

He said that Saturday. That he did not know what caused the gunman to do it, he did not know if politics had anything to do with it, but he thinks that the violent rhetoric has gotten out of hand.

Re his failure to protect Rep. Giffords. He knew she was a target, stated several happenings that gave out all sorts of warning signals - and I'm not talking about Sarah Palin's crosshairs graphic.

Nonsensical wildazz guess with no facts in evidence. He's talked about her office being damaged. He talked about threats she'd had and the resolution of those. He said she didn't routinely have police at her Congress On Your Corner events (which she does quite regularly).

It makes more sense that he said the rhetoric statement because - first, it's true - that he's listened to the angry rhetoric for the past few years for all elected officials down there, people threatening others, people getting angry,healthcare, immigration (terribly nasty down there), saw the Judge have to have US Marshalls to protect him a while back, heard the threats against her, and then a Congresswoman he knows gets blown away in a mass murder-attempted assassination in a Safeway parking lot.

Naw, the first thing you come up with is that there isn't really any violent rhetoric, it's all about a deliberately planned misdirection attempt to the press to cover his ass.

I'll take the more logical answer, myself.

[Riot]

Here's a very telling quote from Roger Ailes, Fox News President, as reported by NBC, regarding what he told his on-air personalities Saturday about reporting the shootings:

"I told all of our guys, shut up, tone it down, make your argument intellectually. You don't have to do it with bombast. I hope the other side does that". - Roger Ailes

First, his on-air news guys don't know how to report on a breaking news story? And the way to do it is: "Shut up? Tone it down? "

And there is an "other side" in a mass murder-assassination attempt? And one would normally expect his news team to report this story "with bombast" ??

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

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Nope. He didn't.

I watched every press conference Saturday, including watching live the first one he gave, where he made the original statement (which I quoted in the previous post) and I never heard him say that.

I have never seen any replay quote of the Sheriff saying that on any news program. Have you?

Don't you think if he really said that, they would be replaying that clip all over the news?

They can't replay anything. Because he never said it.

If he did say it, please provide a direct quote or video to support your contention, and I'll gladly correct my thinking that statement is false.

He said that Saturday. That he did not know what caused the gunman to do it, he did not know if politics had anything to do with it, but he thinks that the violent rhetoric has gotten out of hand.

Nonsensical wildazz guess with no facts in evidence. He's talked about her office being damaged. He talked about threats she'd had and the resolution of those. He said she didn't routinely have police at her Congress On Your Corner events (which she does quite regularly).

It makes more sense that he said the rhetoric statement because - first, it's true - that he's listened to the angry rhetoric for the past few years for all elected officials down there, people threatening others, people getting angry,healthcare, immigration (terribly nasty down there), saw the Judge have to have US Marshalls to protect him a while back, heard the threats against her, and then a Congresswoman he knows gets blown away in a mass murder-attempted assassination in a Safeway parking lot.

Naw, the first thing you come up with is that there isn't really any violent rhetoric, it's all about a deliberately planned misdirection attempt to the press to cover his ass.

I'll take the more logical answer, myself.

Yup, he did - I saw it on Saturday and again tonight on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor. Can't find it on the internet, however. Must have gotten taken down because it's too incendiary.

Here's a reference to it - which I'm sure you'll find fault with.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...alk-radio-link

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Yup, he did - I saw it on Saturday and again tonight on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor. Can't find it on the internet, however. Must have gotten taken down because it's too incendiary.

Here's a reference to it - which I'm sure you'll find fault with.

http://www.examiner.com/political-bu...alk-radio-link

"The comments by Sheriff Dupnik clearly blamed conservative talk radio for inspiring Loughner,"

That is the "proof"? Some guy saying so? Yeah. That's baloney.

All the major news orgs were at that press conference where the Sheriff allegedly said that, it was televised live.

And you're saying no news organization in the world has a copy of the video of the Sheriff saying that?

How can that be? They are playing other clips from that news conference.

All the talk on the Sunday morning news shows today - Fox News Sunday, Meet the Press, Face the Nation, etc - were about "the vitriolic conversation", and nobody televises that clip?

Even Fox News doesn't televise any clip of the Sheriff saying that?

That's because he never said it. Period.

But, as Brian pointed out, the right wing hysteria machine immediately took off defending themselves. Against words that didn't mention them directly. Very telling.

Stop blaming the Sheriff for something he never said.