The new party of no?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

BTW, Obama announced a 2-yr freeze on federal salaries today (except military) - that's 1.3 billion saved over 2 years.

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BIG F'N DEAL and once again he gives the big middle finger to troops. The truth on Federal jobs.

"Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.

Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...eral-pay_N.htm

I think you made my point for privatization of most all things Federal. If the Average Fed worker is paid 20% more than the private sector employee we can save 20% percent off the Federal payroll and not lose a single job. Now the big savings comes when benefits and the crazy pensions are brought into the same hemisphere as the real world at a savings of $30,000 per employee. Currently there are 1.35 milion Federal employees, privatize half (we need Judges, Senators etc. I get that) and save just over 20 TRILLION dollars. Talk about a quick, easy fix!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

To summarize, ^^^ Attack the middle class , and cut tax on the rich. Same GOP stuff. You have many versions of the way to accomplish the same goal. Funny how you never want to lower the rates for Doctors, Vets, Dentists etc. People who continue to charge more, more, and more. No cutting them. Also, it's illegal to use someone else (to do what is usually the most routine work.) When someone is attacking people making less than 100k a year, there's a damn good chance it is a Republican. Their targets are rarely greedy people. They admire them.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

To summarize, ^^^ Attack the middle class , and cut tax on the rich. Same GOP stuff. You have many versions of the way to accomplish the same goal.

Give me a break I said nothing about the middle class.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Give me a break I said nothing about the middle class.

No, but those are mostly middle class people that you're wanting to take something away from. That's a pretty regular target for you. If people ever paid much attention, they'd see that Republicans have routine targets (poor people, and middle class people.)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

She's talking about his position while compromising. 2 weeks ago, he was considering extending the tax break for the rich (a far Right position.). If he extends any of that tax break for them(at all,) guess what? That's Center-Right.

Tax cuts are now considered a far right position?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, but those are mostly middle class people that you're wanting to take something away from. That's a pretty regular target for you. If people ever paid much attention, they'd see that Republicans have routine targets (poor people, and middle class people.)

I'm targeting bloated government workers. An government accountant can take a 20% pay cut and still be middle class. The janitor may be a different story by call me stupid, I don't think a janitor should be making 60K plus with a pension. Especially because we're paying for it. Should some rich guy or company value a janitor so much they want to pay him that (must be special) good for them as it's their money. Get it now?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm targeting bloated government workers.

I'm saying that these just happen to be your normal targets (middle class people.)You didn't start out talking about a janitor. You started out talking about the average Federal Gov't worker. Now you have to switch to the least liked position (janitor,) but you don't just want to lower their pay. You want to hurt a large group of middle class people. You want to balance the budget by hurting middle class people. Like I said, any plan you have will target poor and middle class people. That's your routine choice of target.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Tax cuts are now considered a far right position?

For people making over 250k, yes, extending the Bush tax cut is a far right position.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

See, this is a good example of how Republicans aren't into negotiation, or compromise. The President freezes Fed Gov't workers pay, and what happens? They simply call for more cutting of the Federal workers pay etc. There's no new offer to have the rich give up something, only more attack on the middle.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

See, this is a good example of how Republicans aren't into negotiation, or compromise. The President freezes Fed Gov't workers pay, and what happens? They simply call for more cutting of the Federal workers pay etc. There's no new offer to have the rich give up something, only more attack on the middle.

40K in benifits times 1.35 million employees comes to a lot of money. Not only are the workers overpaid there are far too many of them. Freezing their inflated pay and pensions does nothing but insure their fat pay and beni's. How about reducing their pay 20% and reducing beni's by 30K and allow Americans to feel they're getting some value for their buck and allow Gov. workes to receive raises according to factors like job performance? Now there's a novel idea I suppose is anti-democratic and middle class. LOL

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

walk into any dmv or consulate and then tell me what the value is..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

For people making over 250k, yes, extending the Bush tax cut is a far right position.

The vast majority of people making over 250k are hardly considered the mega rich.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of people making over 250k are hardly considered the mega rich.

even when its two working spouses..125 each..no way ..thats minimum requirement to be middle class

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

See, this is a good example of how Republicans aren't into negotiation, or compromise. The President freezes Fed Gov't workers pay, and what happens? They simply call for more cutting of the Federal workers pay etc. There's no new offer to have the rich give up something, only more attack on the middle.

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/11...Clink2%7C28576

Au contraire mon turkish ami.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

even when its two working spouses..125 each..no way ..thats minimum requirement to be middle class

I paid $42 to park my car for 4 hours in manhattan the other night. I am thinking that $250k a year in NYC may make you eligible for entitlement programs there.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I do believe the GOP is more right than two years ago with the tea party element.

I also think the Dems are shifting more to the left.

There are very few people in the middle anymore.... they place they SHOULD be.

I think that type of polarization is historically a pretty common response after one party has a big White House win. It keeps the average in the middle over time.

I'm in the middle. You just get hit repeatedly with flaming bags of dog shiat from both sides. The concept of "middle" has gerrymandered all over the map. When GOP to the right of me (both fiscal and social conservatives) are called "liberals", it's gone beyond silly. Ronald Reagan would be too left for the GOP nowadays, and Eisenhower would be called a screaming liberal for his social programs!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If you read the fine print your graph is based on analysis done by CBPP.org using CBO numbers. But you knew that.

That graph has been out in public for months, used by multiple news organizations, and it's accuracy has been vetted. Sorry, your attempt to dismiss it out of hand is a fail. Your graph is something different. But what is the point of your trying to dismiss that graph of what is contributing to our debt? Are you contending it's wrong? The figures on that graph are the very figures being discussed this past week in the media by our Senators/Congressmen. Those figures are very public and are in the media today. You don't like the graph, you can check the CBO and get them yourself.

You posted a graph of one budget year. That's not the same as a listing of our debt over time. But I have no idea what you are trying to show by posting your budget year breakdown, and what that has to do with what is causing our debt over time. Yes, we have to cut stuff out of the yearly budgets.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BIG F'N DEAL and once again he gives the big middle finger to troops. [/i]

Not including military troops in a wage freeze proposal is giving them the finger? You're nuts.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

I pointed out that on 90 perc of the issues hes lied as far as implementation of policy. troops still in war, guantanamo still open..ect..

Sorry, that 90 percent figure is simply false and much exaggerated. Please - even the Obama haters have a responsibility for accuracy. This lists each and every campaign promise, and status http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

But I do agree that politicians are simply into choking on lobbying money. The ruling this year on corporations being able to provide limitless, undisclosed source campaign cash changed everything and made it a thousand times worse.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm targeting bloated government workers. An government accountant can take a 20% pay cut and still be middle class. The janitor may be a different story by call me stupid, I don't think a janitor should be making 60K plus with a pension. Especially because we're paying for it. Should some rich guy or company value a janitor so much they want to pay him that (must be special) good for them as it's their money. Get it now?

Then why are you so angry at the Republican proposal for salary freezes for those "bloated" government employees as proposed by Obama?

Yes, that's a GOP idea, and Obama came out with it himself yesterday, angering the GOP.

BTW, Senators and Congressmen make $174,000 per year (excluding bennies), and they froze their salaries earlier this year.