The new party of no?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

BTW, Obama announced a 2-yr freeze on federal salaries today (except military) - that's 1.3 billion saved over 2 years.

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BIG F'N DEAL and once again he gives the big middle finger to troops. The truth on Federal jobs.

"Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.

Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...eral-pay_N.htm

I think you made my point for privatization of most all things Federal. If the Average Fed worker is paid 20% more than the private sector employee we can save 20% percent off the Federal payroll and not lose a single job. Now the big savings comes when benefits and the crazy pensions are brought into the same hemisphere as the real world at a savings of $30,000 per employee. Currently there are 1.35 milion Federal employees, privatize half (we need Judges, Senators etc. I get that) and save just over 20 TRILLION dollars. Talk about a quick, easy fix!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

To summarize, ^^^ Attack the middle class , and cut tax on the rich. Same GOP stuff. You have many versions of the way to accomplish the same goal. Funny how you never want to lower the rates for Doctors, Vets, Dentists etc. People who continue to charge more, more, and more. No cutting them. Also, it's illegal to use someone else (to do what is usually the most routine work.) When someone is attacking people making less than 100k a year, there's a damn good chance it is a Republican. Their targets are rarely greedy people. They admire them.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

To summarize, ^^^ Attack the middle class , and cut tax on the rich. Same GOP stuff. You have many versions of the way to accomplish the same goal.

Give me a break I said nothing about the middle class.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Give me a break I said nothing about the middle class.

No, but those are mostly middle class people that you're wanting to take something away from. That's a pretty regular target for you. If people ever paid much attention, they'd see that Republicans have routine targets (poor people, and middle class people.)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, but those are mostly middle class people that you're wanting to take something away from. That's a pretty regular target for you. If people ever paid much attention, they'd see that Republicans have routine targets (poor people, and middle class people.)

I'm targeting bloated government workers. An government accountant can take a 20% pay cut and still be middle class. The janitor may be a different story by call me stupid, I don't think a janitor should be making 60K plus with a pension. Especially because we're paying for it. Should some rich guy or company value a janitor so much they want to pay him that (must be special) good for them as it's their money. Get it now?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm targeting bloated government workers.

I'm saying that these just happen to be your normal targets (middle class people.)You didn't start out talking about a janitor. You started out talking about the average Federal Gov't worker. Now you have to switch to the least liked position (janitor,) but you don't just want to lower their pay. You want to hurt a large group of middle class people. You want to balance the budget by hurting middle class people. Like I said, any plan you have will target poor and middle class people. That's your routine choice of target.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm targeting bloated government workers. An government accountant can take a 20% pay cut and still be middle class. The janitor may be a different story by call me stupid, I don't think a janitor should be making 60K plus with a pension. Especially because we're paying for it. Should some rich guy or company value a janitor so much they want to pay him that (must be special) good for them as it's their money. Get it now?

Then why are you so angry at the Republican proposal for salary freezes for those "bloated" government employees as proposed by Obama?

Yes, that's a GOP idea, and Obama came out with it himself yesterday, angering the GOP.

BTW, Senators and Congressmen make $174,000 per year (excluding bennies), and they froze their salaries earlier this year.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then why are you so angry at the Republican proposal for salary freezes for those "bloated" government employees as proposed by Obama?

Yes, that's a GOP idea, and Obama came out with it himself yesterday, angering the GOP.

BTW, Senators and Congressmen make $174,000 per year (excluding bennies), and they froze their salaries earlier this year.

Because it's like spending $10 per gallon of gas and expected to be pleased when you're told it's going to stay at $10 and not go any higher.

The GOP sucks for the idea as much as Obama does for announcing it. See I don't goose step to the GOP like you do for DEMS.

As far as Congressmen and Senators go, they are among the few government employees who are underpaid compared to the private sector as I'm fairly sure a good number of them (minus the obvious ie Waters, Rangel, Frank) would and could make double their current salaries.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BIG F'N DEAL and once again he gives the big middle finger to troops. [/i]

Not including military troops in a wage freeze proposal is giving them the finger? You're nuts.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not including military troops in a wage freeze proposal is giving them the finger? You're nuts.

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

That's the imaginary future. Yesterday he announced military salaries are not included in the freeze. But nice you worry about the troops, while you are willing to take other employees benefits and salaries away.

I'm mad at the next future elected Republican President, for daring to give unfunded tax cuts and starting a war with North Korea! He sucks!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

defense could use some serious cutting actually. we spend roughly the same each year on our military as every other country combined. yes, EVERY other country in the entire world has to be added together to match what we spend, alone, on our military. makes you wonder why we want/need allies, nato, the u.n., etc. we could cut our funding in half, and still spend 1/4 of the entire worlds military budget all by ourselves. that's crazy.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

defense could use some serious cutting actually. we spend roughly the same each year on our military as every other country combined. yes, EVERY other country in the entire world has to be added together to match what we spend, alone, on our military. makes you wonder why we want/need allies, nato, the u.n., etc. we could cut our funding in half, and still spend 1/4 of the entire worlds military budget all by ourselves. that's crazy.

maybe it's because we are the military of the free world. When we send 150K troops to a war and Canada sends 500, Britian 5000 and the UN 3000 with no guns in white tanks (that we're paying for anyway) it's time to stop paying for dinner. But by no means should this affect the American soldiers' salary and or benefits. I say let little brother S. Korea show what he's got. Time to leave the nest. And once that bird flies we can decide who flies next.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

maybe it's because we are the military of the free world. When we send 150K troops to a war and Canada sends 500, Britian 5000 and the UN 3000 with no guns in white tanks (that we're paying for anyway) it's time to stop paying for dinner. But by no means should this affect the American soldiers' salary and or benefits. I say let little brother S. Korea show what he's got. Time to leave the nest. And once that bird flies we can decide who flies next.

we're the military of the free world but can't afford to be. it needs to change.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we're the military of the free world but can't afford to be. it needs to change.

We can't afford not to be

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

defense could use some serious cutting actually. we spend roughly the same each year on our military as every other country combined. yes, EVERY other country in the entire world has to be added together to match what we spend, alone, on our military. makes you wonder why we want/need allies, nato, the u.n., etc. we could cut our funding in half, and still spend 1/4 of the entire worlds military budget all by ourselves. that's crazy.

I would guess that your information is faulty. I say this because there is zero chance that we have any clue what the Chinese or N. Koreans or Iranians are spending on their military. As mater of fact i'd guess there is a great deal of spent on black projects here that is not included

Remember that a great deal of military spending goes to US corps and funds high paying US jobs.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

the defense budget should be cut... maybe by up to 10-20%. i'm sure if you went through the defense budget line by line, there would be a ton of wasteful spending in there.

& its ridiculous to think people's salaries should be cut by 20%. now as far as those government benefits go.. those should be more in line with the private sector for sure.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

hes a lame duck president. he is now bending over for the gop. in the new world order of the us congress..his basketball skills are better than his diplomatic skills..