The new party of no?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are saying the Congressional Budget Office is passing on false information? Please, do give us your figures.

If you read the fine print your graph is based on analysis done by CBPP.org using CBO numbers. But you knew that.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

I asked my son who whas home for break from fsu what he thought of the prez..he said ' im not sure what hes doing..besides trying to get re elected' 'I was wrong in buying into hope and change. nothing gets done in big government.so why bother getting all fired up on issues that go nowhere'? 'a bigger government is not the answer'. I pointed out that on 90 perc of the issues hes lied as far as implementation of policy. troops still in war, guantanamo still open..ect..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEfFED GOVT HAS TO BAIL OUT CALIFORNIA?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

I asked my son who whas home for break from fsu what he thought of the prez..he said ' im not sure what hes doing..besides trying to get re elected' 'I was wrong in buying into hope and change. nothing gets done in big government.so why bother getting all fired up on issues that go nowhere'? 'a bigger government is not the answer'. I pointed out that on 90 perc of the issues hes lied as far as implementation of policy. troops still in war, guantanamo still open..ect..

Your son is wise beyone his years. He nailed it. All parties, working on getting re elected or setting themselves up for a windfall in the private sector. Nothing changes except they don't even try to concel it anymore.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

I pointed out that on 90 perc of the issues hes lied as far as implementation of policy. troops still in war, guantanamo still open..ect..

Sorry, that 90 percent figure is simply false and much exaggerated. Please - even the Obama haters have a responsibility for accuracy. This lists each and every campaign promise, and status http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

But I do agree that politicians are simply into choking on lobbying money. The ruling this year on corporations being able to provide limitless, undisclosed source campaign cash changed everything and made it a thousand times worse.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sorry, that 90 percent figure is simply false and much exaggerated. Please - even the Obama haters have a responsibility for accuracy. This lists each and every campaign promise, and status http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

But I do agree that politicians are simply into choking on lobbying money. The ruling this year on corporations being able to provide limitless, undisclosed source campaign cash changed everything and made it a thousand times worse.

stalled,in the works ,broken, comromise..all the same..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

stalled,in the works ,broken, comromise..all the same..

Compared to the last few Prez's Obama's record after 2 years is pretty darn good, especially considering that our Constitution only requires a 51 vote majority in the Senate, but thanks to the GOP and their hundred-plus filibusters the Dems had to get 60 votes on virtually everything that got passed.

Something big is going to happen before the next election - the political process has completely broken down. They need to change the filibuster rules certainly.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If you read the fine print your graph is based on analysis done by CBPP.org using CBO numbers. But you knew that.

That graph has been out in public for months, used by multiple news organizations, and it's accuracy has been vetted. Sorry, your attempt to dismiss it out of hand is a fail. Your graph is something different. But what is the point of your trying to dismiss that graph of what is contributing to our debt? Are you contending it's wrong? The figures on that graph are the very figures being discussed this past week in the media by our Senators/Congressmen. Those figures are very public and are in the media today. You don't like the graph, you can check the CBO and get them yourself.

You posted a graph of one budget year. That's not the same as a listing of our debt over time. But I have no idea what you are trying to show by posting your budget year breakdown, and what that has to do with what is causing our debt over time. Yes, we have to cut stuff out of the yearly budgets.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

That graph has been out in public for months, used by multiple news organizations, and it's accuracy has been vetted. Sorry, your attempt to dismiss it out of hand is a fail. Your graph is something different. But what is the point of your trying to dismiss that graph of what is contributing to our debt? Are you contending it's wrong? The figures on that graph are the very figures being discussed this past week in the media by our Senators/Congressmen. Those figures are very public and are in the media today. You don't like the graph, you can check the CBO and get them yourself.

You posted a graph of one budget year. That's not the same as a listing of our debt over time. But I have no idea what you are trying to show by posting your budget year breakdown, and what that has to do with what is causing our debt over time. Yes, we have to cut stuff out of the yearly budgets.

Of course it is wrong. Like I said it leaves out everything not Bush. You do know the current Pres is spending $ on a war he campaigned against years ago. Where's the asterix for Bush/Obama? Where's the $2 Trillion ObamaCare cost's effect? Where's the Obama Stimulus failure?

The Iraq war was costly but less than a trillion total.

[Riot]

Of course it is wrong.

You do realize that just saying so doesn't make it so? This isn't the land of Glenn Beck here.

You are free to differ with the rest of the world, the Congress, who are using those very figures. You might note some of them all over the media regarding the Bush tax cut issue today.

Like I said it leaves out everything not Bush.

No it doesn't. The wars, the different stimulus, TARP, the bailouts from Bush and Obama, the health plan, our routine costs of government, all there. Those are our projected deficits over the years, and the sources.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No it doesn't. The wars, the different stimulus, TARP, the bailouts from Bush and Obama, the health plan, our routine costs of government, all there. Those are our projected deficits over the years, and the sources.

The cost of ObamaCare is estimated to be $2 Trillion by the CBO yet it is missing from the graph?

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Of course it is wrong. Like I said it leaves out everything not Bush. You do know the current Pres is spending $ on a war he campaigned against years ago. Where's the asterix for Bush/Obama? Where's the $2 Trillion ObamaCare cost's effect? Where's the Obama Stimulus failure?

The Iraq war was costly but less than a trillion total.

Obama will always say it was Bush' fault, he has failed miserably as Pres. He will say it next year it was Bush' fault. Hopefully the American public wakes up in November 2012 and realize what a farce this idiot has been. The elbow to his head wont help him find any brain cells.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Obama will always say it was Bush' fault, he has failed miserably as Pres. He will say it next year it was Bush' fault. Hopefully the American public wakes up in November 2012 and realize what a farce this idiot has been. The elbow to his head wont help him find any brain cells.

Just what's needed, more random fifth-grade level, "I hate the President and I don't want to talk about specifics" crap. You haven't changed your tune since day one. I hope you at least voted in the last election.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

Just what's needed, more random fifth-grade level, "I hate the President and I don't want to talk about specifics" crap. You haven't changed your tune since day one. I hope you at least voted in the last election.

I did exercise my privledge of voting in the recent elections. Hasnt he been saying it was Bush' fault that this country"s economy and unemployment are in shambles? What has he done to attempt to fix it? he has had over 1 1/2 to fix it. Next year when Obama doesnt have the numbers any more he will still blame the Republicans. Now there is talk about raising health insurance premiums for military retirees yet thier retirement pay will stay the same. Some president we have ruining this great country of ours.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I did exercise my privledge of voting in the recent elections. Hasnt he been saying it was Bush' fault that this country"s economy and unemployment are in shambles? What has he done to attempt to fix it? he has had over 1 1/2 to fix it.

Glad you voted. Alot has gotten "fixed", and saying otherwise is simply disingenuous. You don't have to like a current President or support him, but you have to at least acknowledge reality. Every single economist (find me one who disagrees) has said the various stimulus plans have indeed kept us from a depression. The argument is that we should have done more, which is why unemployment is languishing

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