Zenyatta

[The Bid]

When you deal with these owners who have zillions of dollars the only thing that matters is winning. These people play to win, and fullfill their egos. We are very lucky they brought her back and risked an unblemished record for her 6 year old season. We are all very lucky to have witnessed greatness, even in defeat and the owners of Zenyatta should be given a large round of applause for running her through the season, and into the classic. You just don't get to see horses stick around like her. We are all very fortunate and the sport is better because of it. Win, lose, or draw, she was great even in defeat.

[The Bid]

what did he do wrong. He got steadied at the Q pole following the wrong horse, he had to wheel her out and lose 5 lengths, he didnt put her into the race quick enough. He did a multitude of things wrong and she still ran through him and was beaten a zap to boot. You don't give a horse that much to overcome, I cannot believe she was in the photo. Nearly any other horse would have folded it up, certainly any in that field would never have made a race of it if they had to put in the work she did.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by The Bid

what did he do wrong. He got steadied at the Q pole following the wrong horse, he had to wheel her out and lose 5 lengths, he didnt put her into the race quick enough. He did a multitude of things wrong and she still ran through him and was beaten a zap to boot. You don't give a horse that much to overcome, I cannot believe she was in the photo. Nearly any other horse would have folded it up, certainly any in that field would never have made a race of it if they had to put in the work she did.

Smith did nothing wrong. She is what she is. She looked like a drunk down the stretch at Santa Anita last year and was miles behind. Being way back was not that much of a detriment looking at the race again. Dakota Phone was miles back in the dirt mile and won a photo. She lost. Blame was better but she ran a really good race. Blame was going to get the jump on her regardless in this race. He did just enough.

[The Bid]

Then you need to watch the race again horseofcourse. Try the overhead

[ateamstupid]

Did I really just read someone say that Zenyatta had 7 lengths of trouble?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Did I really just read someone say that Zenyatta had 7 lengths of trouble?

Hoss said 15...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Hoss said 15...

he was being facetious.

and yes, ateam, the bid says zenyatta had 7 lengths of trouble.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Bid

what did he do wrong. He got steadied at the Q pole following the wrong horse, he had to wheel her out and lose 5 lengths, he didnt put her into the race quick enough. He did a multitude of things wrong and she still ran through him and was beaten a zap to boot. You don't give a horse that much to overcome, I cannot believe she was in the photo. Nearly any other horse would have folded it up, certainly any in that field would never have made a race of it if they had to put in the work she did.

He didn't steady and he certainly didn't lose 5 lengths. Watch the replay again. If he tries to circle, she gets beat even more. He did everything he could. She just wasn't good enough to get up.

She doesn't need lame excuses. She ran well. Don't tarnish it with the excuses.

[The Bid]

Yeah he steadied, and it was probably 7 not 5

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Yeah he steadied, and it was probably 7 not 5

Make it 15 while you are at it.

[The Bid]

Get a clue bud

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Get a clue bud

Take your own advice guy.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Yeah he steadied, and it was probably 7 not 5

What cost her was the start more than anything, she almost lost contact with the field to I guess not being used to getting kickback in her face from racing on synth's almost her entire career, the slight steady was more of an inconvenience that cost her momentum. When the difference is a head, she was simply not good enough to overcome it to a horse as good as Blame at CD, one thing we can be certain of from yesterday's race, Blame and Zenyatta were 3+ better than the rest of the field. Great race by both, no disgrace winning it or finishing 2nd, I keep hearing this was a brutal field but in all due respect this was the best dirt fields we have had in the past 2 years.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

Great race by both, no disgrace winning it or finishing 2nd, I keep hearing this was a brutal field but in all due respect this was one of the best dirt fields in the past 2 years.

That really isn't saying much.

[The Bid]

You dont have a clue what you are talking about. Why dont you just read and learn something you jerkoff. She lost contact early. There is no horse running today thats in a photo w/ a horse like blame after that alone. Not to mention steading her when he was just getting her best run. Anytime you are beat a nose, there is some point in the race you could have done things differently and changed the outcome. SHe was visually the best horse and I dont see how anybody can argue that. Blame had a great ride, perfect trip and ran a wonderful race. He wasn't the best horse, but he will be, and should be HOY.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

That really isn't saying much.

I'm really trying to be rational with the discussion here with you, so please help me out here because I really want to understand this. But why wasn't this brought up with the discussion regarding Rachel's win in the Woodward field when all of a sudden it matters this year? I think anyone would agree this BC field was far better than the one she faced in the Woodward.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

What cost her was the start more than anything, she almost lost contact with the field to I guess not being used to getting kickback in her face from racing on synth's almost her entire career, the slight steady was more of an imconvenience that cost her momentum. When the difference is a head, she was simply not good enough to overcome it to a horse of Blame at CD, one thing we can be certain of from yesterday's race, Blame and Zenyatta were 3+ better than the rest of the field. Great race by both, no disgrace winning it or finishing 2nd, I keep hearing this was a brutal field but in all due respect this was one of the best dirt fields in the past 2 years.

she didn't get much kick back, she wasn't close enough to experience it for much of the race.

a couple of horses were decent, but some of them were distance limited. the bulk of the field sucked.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

she didn't get much kick back, she wasn't close enough to experience it for much of the race.

a couple of horses were decent, but some of them were distance limited. the bulk of the field sucked.

There is more kickback on dirt. I know, neither are great...I remember that quote of yours succinctly.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

When you deal with these owners who have zillions of dollars the only thing that matters is winning. These people play to win, and fullfill their egos. We are very lucky they brought her back and risked an unblemished record for her 6 year old season. We are all very lucky to have witnessed greatness, even in defeat and the owners of Zenyatta should be given a large round of applause for running her through the season, and into the classic. You just don't get to see horses stick around like her. We are all very fortunate and the sport is better because of it. Win, lose, or draw, she was great even in defeat.

I guess you are too young to remember but it wasn't that long ago that racing horses was the rule not the exception.

And the idea that we were lucky to watch her run this year? Well maybe we were lucky to see the last race but the rest of the season was forgettable unless you are really into preseason games or something like that.