Zenyatta

Rupert Pupkin · #1 11-07-2010, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYT3e_d4rPU

lol...lol...lol...

If you owned a horse, would HOY be the defining victory for you? I highly doubt that. I think you would rather have your horse win $6.5 million than win HOY.

DaTruth · #2 11-07-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned a horse, would HOY be the defining victory for you? I highly doubt that. I think you would rather have your horse win $6.5 million than win HOY.

That depends on how much money you already have. The mega wealthy could find better investments for their money than buying racing prospects. They accept the risk of losing money in exchange for the chance of taking home some significant trophies, including for HOY.

Rupert Pupkin · #3 11-07-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

That depends on how much money you already have. The mega wealthy could find better investments for their money than buying racing prospects. They accept the risk of losing money in exchange for the chance of taking home some significant trophies, including for HOY.

I agree with you about that. Most of these big owners don't need the money. But I was curious if HOY is really important to Dahoss since he was needling SO about it. I doubt HOY is actually that big of a deal to Dahoss. He's acting like winning HOY is such a big deal but I doubt it is even a big deal to him.

ateamstupid · #4 11-07-2010, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you about that. Most of these big owners don't need the money. But I was curious if HOY is really important to Dahoss since he was needling SO about it. I doubt HOY is actually that big of a deal to Dahoss. He's acting like winning HOY is such a big deal but I doubt it is even a big deal to him.

Nope. Smooth Operator was the one who brought up HOY. And it meant a ton to Zenyatta's connections. That's why it's relevant.

Dahoss · #5 11-07-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you owned a horse, would HOY be the defining victory for you? I highly doubt that. I think you would rather have your horse win $6.5 million than win HOY.

Yeah, because they really need the money. The HOY was very important to them as was the now blemished record. Me personally, I wouldn't care. But I also would have run her in more ambitious spots.

The Bid · #6 11-07-2010, 09:42 AM

When you deal with these owners who have zillions of dollars the only thing that matters is winning. These people play to win, and fullfill their egos. We are very lucky they brought her back and risked an unblemished record for her 6 year old season. We are all very lucky to have witnessed greatness, even in defeat and the owners of Zenyatta should be given a large round of applause for running her through the season, and into the classic. You just don't get to see horses stick around like her. We are all very fortunate and the sport is better because of it. Win, lose, or draw, she was great even in defeat.

The Bid · #7 11-07-2010, 09:44 AM

what did he do wrong. He got steadied at the Q pole following the wrong horse, he had to wheel her out and lose 5 lengths, he didnt put her into the race quick enough. He did a multitude of things wrong and she still ran through him and was beaten a zap to boot. You don't give a horse that much to overcome, I cannot believe she was in the photo. Nearly any other horse would have folded it up, certainly any in that field would never have made a race of it if they had to put in the work she did.

horseofcourse · #8 11-07-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

what did he do wrong. He got steadied at the Q pole following the wrong horse, he had to wheel her out and lose 5 lengths, he didnt put her into the race quick enough. He did a multitude of things wrong and she still ran through him and was beaten a zap to boot. You don't give a horse that much to overcome, I cannot believe she was in the photo. Nearly any other horse would have folded it up, certainly any in that field would never have made a race of it if they had to put in the work she did.

Smith did nothing wrong. She is what she is. She looked like a drunk down the stretch at Santa Anita last year and was miles behind. Being way back was not that much of a detriment looking at the race again. Dakota Phone was miles back in the dirt mile and won a photo. She lost. Blame was better but she ran a really good race. Blame was going to get the jump on her regardless in this race. He did just enough.

The Bid · #9 11-07-2010, 09:50 AM

Then you need to watch the race again horseofcourse. Try the overhead

ateamstupid · #10 11-07-2010, 09:58 AM

Did I really just read someone say that Zenyatta had 7 lengths of trouble?

Dahoss · #11 11-07-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

what did he do wrong. He got steadied at the Q pole following the wrong horse, he had to wheel her out and lose 5 lengths, he didnt put her into the race quick enough. He did a multitude of things wrong and she still ran through him and was beaten a zap to boot. You don't give a horse that much to overcome, I cannot believe she was in the photo. Nearly any other horse would have folded it up, certainly any in that field would never have made a race of it if they had to put in the work she did.

He didn't steady and he certainly didn't lose 5 lengths. Watch the replay again. If he tries to circle, she gets beat even more. He did everything he could. She just wasn't good enough to get up.

She doesn't need lame excuses. She ran well. Don't tarnish it with the excuses.

The Bid · #12 11-07-2010, 09:52 AM

Yeah he steadied, and it was probably 7 not 5

Dahoss · #13 11-07-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Yeah he steadied, and it was probably 7 not 5

Make it 15 while you are at it.

CSC · #14 11-07-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Yeah he steadied, and it was probably 7 not 5

What cost her was the start more than anything, she almost lost contact with the field to I guess not being used to getting kickback in her face from racing on synth's almost her entire career, the slight steady was more of an inconvenience that cost her momentum. When the difference is a head, she was simply not good enough to overcome it to a horse as good as Blame at CD, one thing we can be certain of from yesterday's race, Blame and Zenyatta were 3+ better than the rest of the field. Great race by both, no disgrace winning it or finishing 2nd, I keep hearing this was a brutal field but in all due respect this was the best dirt fields we have had in the past 2 years.

Cannon Shell · #15 11-07-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

When you deal with these owners who have zillions of dollars the only thing that matters is winning. These people play to win, and fullfill their egos. We are very lucky they brought her back and risked an unblemished record for her 6 year old season. We are all very lucky to have witnessed greatness, even in defeat and the owners of Zenyatta should be given a large round of applause for running her through the season, and into the classic. You just don't get to see horses stick around like her. We are all very fortunate and the sport is better because of it. Win, lose, or draw, she was great even in defeat.

I guess you are too young to remember but it wasn't that long ago that racing horses was the rule not the exception.

And the idea that we were lucky to watch her run this year? Well maybe we were lucky to see the last race but the rest of the season was forgettable unless you are really into preseason games or something like that.