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[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I disagree. Why does she need to chase anyone to claim her champions status?? She showed up for 2 breeders cup (and won) and going on her third at CD. Champions do not need to chase contenders. Life at Ten, Blind Luck, Rachel, Havre de Grace connections know where Zenyatta is but they never took the chance to run against her. As much as you like to believe that John Sherrifs picks and choose the horses Zenyatta runs against and beats, we both know thats just not true.

Thank god connections of prior champions didn't have this attitude. Hopefully future ones won't either.

As much as you would like to believe surface has nothing to do with why no one will go out west to face her, we both know that's just not true.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Thank god connections of prior champions didn't have this attitude. Hopefully future ones won't either.

As much as you would like to believe surface has nothing to do with why no one will go out west to face her, we both know that's just not true.

Dont make surface as an excuse. Zenyatta showed up in Arkansas but RA did not.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Dont make surface as an excuse. Zenyatta showed up in Arkansas but RA did not.

What does Rachel Alexandra have to do with anything?

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What does Rachel Alexandra have to do with anything?

RA excuse for not coming to cali is because they do not want to run on plastic. When the stage was set to for a match race on dirt, they did not show but Zenyatta did.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

RA excuse for not coming to cali is because they do not want to run on plastic. When the stage was set to for a match race on dirt, they did not show but Zenyatta did.

Once again, what does Rachel Alexandra have to do with this? There were plenty of other hills for the 'champion' to climb after RA didn't show, but they were fine with satisfying tards like you and beating cupcakes the rest of the year, as if RA not showing alone justifies Zenyatta's greatness.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Once again, what does Rachel Alexandra have to do with this? There were plenty of other hills for the 'champion' to climb after RA didn't show, but they were fine with satisfying tards like you and beating cupcakes the rest of the year, as if RA not showing alone justifies Zenyatta's greatness.

forget about what she won and who she beat, dont you think the publicity that follows her is good for racing?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

forget about what she won and who she beat, dont you think the publicity that follows her is good for racing?

More deflecting. That's not what this discussion was about. And I think her publicity is bad for racing, because it sets the example for other owners/trainers that 'forget about what she won and who she beat', she's just the best because we say so. There's enough ducking in racing already that we don't need a horse who has taken the easy road 95% of the time in her career being called the second coming of Pegasus by idiots.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

forget about what she won and who she beat, dont you think the publicity that follows her is good for racing?

What publicity? The average schmuck on the street has no clue about who or what a Zenyatta is.EVERYONE knew,and knows,who Secretariat was.And I don't think a movie will be made about Zenyatta and her wins against Southern Cal. claiming horses and N1X winners.I don't think she has even come close to setting a track record in her career.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Dont make surface as an excuse. Zenyatta showed up in Arkansas but RA did not.

How did this become a Rachel/Zenyatta thing?

Don't make surface an excuse? Why not? Are synthetic and dirt the same? If you are a dirt horse, why would you ship across the country to run on a surface foreign to you?

It's not like the connections of the horses you mentioned have been saying they are better on synth...then running on dirt like the connections of Zenyatta.

These arguements have been hashed out for months now. Where ya been?

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

How did this become a Rachel/Zenyatta thing?

Don't make surface an excuse? Why not? Are synthetic and dirt the same? If you are a dirt horse, why would you ship across the country to run on a surface foreign to you?

It's not like the connections of the horses you mentioned have been saying they are better on synth...then running on dirt like the connections of Zenyatta.

These arguements have been hashed out for months now. Where ya been?

Its a never ending argument. I wonder what other peoples opinion of her will be IF she wins the classic again this year.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Its a never ending argument. I wonder what other peoples opinion of her will be IF she wins the classic again this year.

Be honest, do you really not view the surface issue as a understandable reason no one has shipped out there?

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Be honest, do you really not view the surface issue as a understandable reason no one has shipped out there?

I understand the issue BUT if they did and lost to her, the surface would always be an excuse for them. Apple Blossom was a level playing field but no one stepped up to run against Zenyatta.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I understand the issue BUT if they did and lost to her, the surface would always be an excuse for them. Apple Blossom was a level playing field but no one stepped up to run against Zenyatta.

Isn't it an excuse though? When turf horses try dirt and flop, isn't surface the excuse then?

Two of the four horses you mentioned weren't even eligible for the Apple Blossom.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Be honest, do you really not view the surface issue as a understandable reason no one has shipped out there?

There is also the money issue. None of those left coast f & m races has a purse of more than 300K. Why would an eastern dirt mare ship there to run on a plastic surface for a 150-180 K pot?

Eastern f & m purses...Phipps...300K, Lady's Secret (one time only)...400K, Ruffian...250K, Del Cap....750 K, PE...300K, Beldame...350K