Best Player in the NFL....

[Danzig]

a player can be a great one, consistently, without a playoff or superbowl ring. it is a team sport, with a great many other players helping to make or break the team. take the colts opener for instance, peyton looked awesome, and his stats looked like a winning qb's stats-but they lost the game.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

a player can be a great one, consistently, without a playoff or superbowl ring. it is a team sport, with a great many other players helping to make or break the team. take the colts opener for instance, peyton looked awesome, and his stats looked like a winning qb's stats-but they lost the game.

PEYTON consistently puts that team on his back, and carries it. He's great. He's got his ring. Peyton, Montana, and Elway were far better than that choker Marino.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

PEYTON consistently puts that team on his back, and carries it. He's great. He's got his ring. Peyton, Montana, and Elway were far better than that choker Marino.

Right. Let's remember who his team beat and how Manning 'put that team on his back' en route to that Super Bowl, shall we?

• 23-8 over the Kansas City Chiefs, coached by Herman Edwards (out of football) and quarterbacked by Trent Green (out of football, threw more picks than TDs that year). Manning threw 3 INTs in this game and the main reason the Colts won was the defense's ability to stop a completely gassed Larry Johnson (416 carries that year, would never be the same).

• 15-6 over the Baltimore Ravens, once again, not because of Manning, who threw 0 TDs and 2 INTs that day. Baltimore was QB'ed by an over-the-hill Steve McNair and their RB was an over-the-hill Jamal Lewis. McNair's best WR was Mark Clayton, who's never broken 50 receptions or 700 yards since 2006. Manning never got his team into the end zone and they won with 5 Adam Vinatieri field goals.

• 38-34 over the New England Patriots. This is the game everyone remembers, as the Colts fell behind 21-3 at home to the Pats before roaring back to win in the 2nd half. Manning threw for 349 yards in this game, but only 1 TD and 1 INT, and let's remember who he was facing. Brady's great, but his #1 WR that year was Reche Caldwell. Need I say more? This was also the last game New England's washed up RB Corey Dillon would ever play. A far cry from the 18-1 Pats team of the following year.

• 29-17 over the Chicago Bears. Manning has a respectable game of 247, 1 TD and 1 INT, but again, who was on the other sideline? Rex Grossman, who had calls for his head all season and postseason that year despite the Bears going 13-3. The same guy who's started all of 8 games in the NFL since the Super Bowl. He was predictably awful in this game, throwing for 165, 1 TD and 2 INTs. And let's not even mention the coaching discrepancy.

Manning's stat line in the 4 games that postseason: 97-163, 1,034 yards, 3 TDs, 7 INTs. A whopping 66.4 QB rating, compared to his lifetime 95.5 number.

But yet this brilliant stretch is what makes him great and not a loser like Marino.

Listen, as a Jet fan, nothing makes me happier than the fact that Marino never won anything and became synonymous with the word 'choker' in the NFL. But Manning was as lucky as lucky gets to win his one Super Bowl and he should be far more famous for his failures in the postseason than his one 'success'. He's probably the greatest regular season quarterback who ever lived, but this is what people who actually know and watch the game will associate him with way before the one time he managed to not play worse than Rex Grossman.

The guy is 9-9 in the postseason despite his team averaging 12.2 wins per season in 10 playoff years. But yeah, he's great and Marino's a choker.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Right. Let's remember who his team beat and how Manning 'put that team on his back' en route to that Super Bowl, shall we?

• 23-8 over the Kansas City Chiefs, coached by Herman Edwards (out of football) and quarterbacked by Trent Green (out of football, threw more picks than TDs that year). Manning threw 3 INTs in this game and the main reason the Colts won was the defense's ability to stop a completely gassed Larry Johnson (416 carries that year, would never be the same).

• 15-6 over the Baltimore Ravens, once again, not because of Manning, who threw 0 TDs and 2 INTs that day. Baltimore was QB'ed by an over-the-hill Steve McNair and their RB was an over-the-hill Jamal Lewis. McNair's best WR was Mark Clayton, who's never broken 50 receptions or 700 yards since 2006. Manning never got his team into the end zone and they won with 5 Adam Vinatieri field goals.

• 38-34 over the New England Patriots. This is the game everyone remembers, as the Colts fell behind 21-3 at home to the Pats before roaring back to win in the 2nd half. Manning threw for 349 yards in this game, but only 1 TD and 1 INT, and let's remember who he was facing. Brady's great, but his #1 WR that year was Reche Caldwell. Need I say more? This was also the last game New England's washed up RB Corey Dillon would ever play. A far cry from the 18-1 Pats team of the following year.

• 29-17 over the Chicago Bears. Manning has a respectable game of 247, 1 TD and 1 INT, but again, who was on the other sideline? Rex Grossman, who had calls for his head all season and postseason that year despite the Bears going 13-3. The same guy who's started all of 8 games in the NFL since the Super Bowl. He was predictably awful in this game, throwing for 165, 1 TD and 2 INTs. And let's not even mention the coaching discrepancy.

Manning's stat line in the 4 games that postseason: 97-163, 1,034 yards, 3 TDs, 7 INTs. A whopping 66.4 QB rating, compared to his lifetime 95.5 number.

But yet this brilliant stretch is what makes him great and not a loser like Marino.

Listen, as a Jet fan, nothing makes me happier than the fact that Marino never won anything and became synonymous with the word 'choker' in the NFL. But Manning was as lucky as lucky gets to win his one Super Bowl and he should be far more famous for his failures in the postseason than his one 'success'. He's probably the greatest regular season quarterback who ever lived, but this is what people who actually know and watch the game will associate him with way before the one time he managed to not play worse than Rex Grossman.

The guy is 9-9 in the postseason despite his team averaging 12.2 wins per season in 10 playoff years. But yeah, he's great and Marino's a choker.

Agree with everything you say. That aside, Manning and Marino are BOTH great. Manning IS a choker and gets flustered often when it counts the most. Marino never had much of a shot to get to where it counts the most to prove it. I think the tag of him being a choker is ridiculous. The one time he makes the superbowl, he faces one of the best teams ever playing in their own back yard.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Agree with everything you say. That aside, Manning and Marino are BOTH great. Manning IS a choker and gets flustered often when it counts the most. Marino never had much of a shot to get to where it counts the most to prove it. I think the tag of him being a choker is ridiculous. The one time he makes the superbowl, he faces one of the best teams ever playing in their own back yard.

Shut up,Dahla.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by clyde

Shut up,Dahla.

You should take your own advice.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

You should take your own advice.

fucl< you and fucl< yo advice,too

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Agree with everything you say. That aside, Manning and Marino are BOTH great. Manning IS a choker and gets flustered often when it counts the most. Marino never had much of a shot to get to where it counts the most to prove it. I think the tag of him being a choker is ridiculous. The one time he makes the superbowl, he faces one of the best teams ever playing in their own back yard.

didnt Manning choke at TN also?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Listen, as a Jet fan, nothing makes me happier than the fact that Marino never won anything and became synonymous with the word 'choker' in the NFL. But Manning was as lucky as lucky gets to win his one Super Bowl and he should be far more famous for his failures in the postseason than his one 'success'. He's probably the greatest regular season quarterback who ever lived, but this is what people who actually know and watch the game will associate him with way before the one time he managed to not play worse than Rex Grossman.

The guy is 9-9 in the postseason despite his team averaging 12.2 wins per season in 10 playoff years. But yeah, he's great and Marino's a choker.

Joey, I think you will one day have to face a challenge called High Blood pressure. Just a wild guess. I don't think he's had great teams, but he's made it to the big dance multiple times, and got a ring with one of 'em. Is he Joe Montana in the clutch? No.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Joey, I think you will one day have to face a challenge called High Blood pressure. Just a wild guess. I don't think he's had great teams, but he's made it to the big dance multiple times, and got a ring with one of 'em. Is he Joe Montana in the clutch? No.

Right, this is what you do when you're shown up about something. Don't address the issue and tell the other person they have an unrelated mental problem. And you don't see the irony in that. I think you suffer from agoraphobia. Just a wild guess.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Right, this is what you do when you're shown up about something. Don't address the issue and tell the other person they have an unrelated mental problem. And you don't see the irony in that. I think you suffer from agoraphobia. Just a wild guess.

Ain't a mental problem. Ya temper is immense. You could pull a house down the street over something stupid like this. I'm in L.A. Don't have a team. Wouldn't you think I'd be objective about this crap? What would I have against (or for) Marino, or Manning? One was good. The other was great. I addressed your statement already. I said Manning had not that great of teams, and isn't the most clutch quarterback in the post.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Ain't a mental problem. Ya temper is immense. You could pull a house down the street over something stupid like this. I'm in L.A. Don't have a team. Wouldn't you think I'd be objective about this crap? What would I have against (or for) Marino, or Manning? One was good. The other was great. I addressed your statement already. I said Manning had not that great of teams, and isn't the most clutch quarterback in the post.

Temper? What are you talking about? I laid out very reasonably why you're wrong about Manning. You have no rebuttal, so your response is to insinuate that there's something wrong with me. You do the same thing when you argue with Andy. Because you're dead wrong about it, it's stupid. You really don't know much about football, but maybe that's just my 'temper' talking.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Right. Let's remember who his team beat and FL. But Manning was as lucky as lucky gets to win his one Super Bowl and he should be far more famous for his failures in the postseason than his one 'success'. He's probably the greatest regular season quarterback who ever lived, but this is what people who actually know and watch the game will associate him with way before the one time he managed to not play worse than Rex Grossman.

The guy is 9-9 in the postseason despite his team averaging 12.2 wins per season in 10 playoff years. But yeah, he's great and Marino's a choker.

You think Peyton Manning and LeBron James are pretty much one and the same career wise for the most part? I've actually read articles comparing the two and the "great" regular season, not nearly as great post season type players

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Danzig

a player can be a great one, consistently, without a playoff or superbowl ring. it is a team sport, with a great many other players helping to make or break the team. take the colts opener for instance, peyton looked awesome, and his stats looked like a winning qb's stats-but they lost the game.

I agree with Peyton being a great player. He has a ring, won playoff games, and has had numerous winning seasons already.