Best Player in the NFL....

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You collossal idiot. the Browns won 4 Super Bowls before the Steelers won any. Yes, perhaps the NFL did not exist in your mind before the Super Bowl existed as with most Steeler fans but it really did and yes count them, 4 NFL champsionships to 6 for the Steelers. Wow, massive difference there. It's all ancient history, the first 4 Steeler championships are as ancient as the Browns 4. Steelers are best "modern" franchise without question, but who cares.

And Otto Graham was the best player in NFL history for those who really want to know. He was a professional football player for 10 seasons and played in 10 championship games and was 7-3 in those games. Of course not all were NFL, but if playoff games and championships are what matters, obviously he is the best of all time. But 6 NFL seasons and 3-3 in championship games. You certainly agree that Graham was the best qb in NFL history...nice to know.

Hey moron. What have the Browns done lately other than play crappy football? The last of the titles that the Browns won was in the Stone Ages. Steeelrs have won two Super Bowls in the last four years. But who cares about the Steelers being the best modern franchise. Sounds like your a jealous fan. Maybe your team hasnt won a Super Bowl yet? Yet make the playoffs. The might be contending every year for a top ten pick in the draft.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Hey moron. What have the Browns done lately other than play crappy football? The last of the titles that the Browns won was in the Stone Ages. Steeelrs have won two Super Bowls in the last four years. But who cares about the Steelers being the best modern franchise. Sounds like your a jealous fan. Maybe your team hasnt won a Super Bowl yet? Yet make the playoffs. The might be contending every year for a top ten pick in the draft.

I believe they knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs last year. Steelers win that game they make the playoffs. If the Steelers beat a 1-11 team, a defending Super bowl champion makes the playoffs. Didn't happen. That is what they have done lately. My team has won 4 NFL Championships. Yours has won 6. Those are facts...pure and simple facts. I'm not really jealous of the Steelers. If I was, I really wouldn't have stated they are the best "modern" franchise.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I believe they knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs last year. Steelers win that game they make the playoffs. If the Steelers beat a 1-11 team, a defending Super bowl champion makes the playoffs. Didn't happen. That is what they have done lately. My team has won 4 NFL Championships. Yours has won 6. Those are facts...pure and simple facts. I'm not really jealous of the Steelers. If I was, I really wouldn't have stated they are the best "modern" franchise.

HC, you can't reason with doorknobs who haven't been turned in 30 years.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I believe they knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs last year. Steelers win that game they make the playoffs. If the Steelers beat a 1-11 team, a defending Super bowl champion makes the playoffs. Didn't happen. That is what they have done lately. My team has won 4 NFL Championships. Yours has won 6. Those are facts...pure and simple facts. I'm not really jealous of the Steelers. If I was, I really wouldn't have stated they are the best "modern" franchise.

If they would have beaten any of the teams that they lost to last year when they went to sleep for the 4-5 games they lost in a row they would of been in the playoffs. They didnt execute on the field when they had to, so they didnt go to the playoffs.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

If they would have beaten any of the teams that they lost to last year when they went to sleep for the 4-5 games they lost in a row they would of been in the playoffs. They didnt execute on the field when they had to, so they didnt go to the playoffs.

yeah, but it was the Steelers LAST loss of the year...they won out, so that one was the dagger. It was THE one that kept them out.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

yeah, but it was the Steelers LAST loss of the year...they won out, so that one was the dagger. It was THE one that kept them out.

That put the nail in the dagger.

[notyep59]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

That put the nail in the dagger.

if a dagger is nailed in the forrest, can anyone hear it scream???

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

That put the nail in the dagger.

It's simple answers to simple questions...if the Steelers could have beaten a 1-11 team in December last year would they have made the playoffs?? Just keep it simple and say "yes" Steeler fan!!

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

It's simple answers to simple questions...if the Steelers could have beaten a 1-11 team in December last year would they have made the playoffs?? Just keep it simple and say "yes" Steeler fan!!

If you didnt like how I phrased my answer, not my problem.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I believe they knocked the Steelers out of the playoffs last year. Steelers win that game they make the playoffs. If the Steelers beat a 1-11 team, a defending Super bowl champion makes the playoffs. Didn't happen. That is what they have done lately. My team has won 4 NFL Championships. Yours has won 6. Those are facts...pure and simple facts. I'm not really jealous of the Steelers. If I was, I really wouldn't have stated they are the best "modern" franchise.

HC....don't short Cleveland.

They have 6 NFL titles.


Cleveland has won 10 pro football titles overall.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by clyde

HC....don't short Cleveland.

They have 6 NFL titles.


Cleveland has won 10 pro football titles overall.

Well, I guess the city has 6 NFL and 10 pro total if you count the Cleveland Rams and Cleveland Bulldogs titles. I was only counting the Browns franchise I guess.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well, I guess the city has 6 NFL and 10 pro total if you count the Cleveland Rams and Cleveland Bulldogs titles. I was only counting the Browns franchise I guess.

Yes...I follow.



But all the titles start with the word "Cleveland."

Which is good.