Shirreffs says Zenyatta deserves '10 Horse of the Year

Dahoss · #1 10-20-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Well, I wouldn't because I think there's a real possibilty she can win, but others may be dead set against her. Or it certainly sounds like it from reading the posts here of late.

You think there's a real possibilty she can win? You don't say...

Big difference between not thinking a horse will win and offering 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite. I would think this should be obvious.

CSC · #2 10-20-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

You think there's a real possibilty she can win? You don't say...

Big difference between not thinking a horse will win and offering 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite. I would think this should be obvious.

She could run her best race and still finish second, Blame or Quality Road could both run career highs? Lookin at Lucky is an improving 3 yr old and could be deemed as extremely dangerous, and finally those that believe Zenyatta has beaten nothing in her career, as you have pointed out many times here would entertain the thought atleast.

Dahoss · #3 10-20-2010, 05:03 PM

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She could run her best race and still finish second, Blame or Quality Road could both run career highs? Lookin at Lucky is an improving 3 yr old and could be deemed as extremely dangerous, and finally those that believe Zenyatta has beaten nothing in her career, as you have pointed out many times here would entertain the thought atleast.

Answer a question directly for once. Why would anyone offer 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite? It makes no sense.

10 pnt move up · #4 10-20-2010, 05:05 PM

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Answer a question directly for once. Why would anyone offer 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite? It makes no sense.

as a bookmaker maybe to attract all the action because they feel she should be 100/1?

Dahoss · #5 10-20-2010, 05:08 PM

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as a bookmaker maybe to attract all the action because they feel she should be 100/1?

I hope this is some of your well known humor.

10 pnt move up · #6 10-20-2010, 06:54 PM

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I hope this is some of your well known humor.

maybe you can edumacate me....us re-tards dont really understand such things

alysheba4 · #7 10-20-2010, 07:12 PM

the fonz jumped the shark tank.......

Dahoss · #8 10-20-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

maybe you can edumacate me....us re-tards dont really understand such things

You said it, not me.

hockey2315 · #9 10-20-2010, 05:08 PM

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as a bookmaker maybe to attract all the action because they feel she should be 100/1?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!

No sentient being on the planet with any understanding of numbers would put her fair odds at 100-1. . . especially those in the business of setting lines and taking bets.

slotdirt · #10 10-20-2010, 05:05 PM

If I had a load of cash, I'd pay whomever would take it to not run Zenyatta at CD and instead go in some fake race out in CA just so I wouldn't have to hear about Jay Hovdey's Zenyatta boner for the next five years if she actually won.

CSC · #11 10-20-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Answer a question directly for once. Why would anyone offer 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite? It makes no sense.

I'll give you 3 infact.

1. Someone that thinks she will be a complete bust on dirt
2. Someone that thinks she has been the luckiest horse on earth
3. Someone that thinks she has beaten absolutely no one

Let me assume your follow up question, just because she is the favorite it means diddly squat, may I remind you of Dollar Bill in the Derby 6-1? So what does that mean, unless you do rate Zenyatta a little higher than you are letting on?

hockey2315 · #12 10-20-2010, 05:11 PM

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I'll give you 3 infact.

1. Someone that thinks she will be a complete bust on dirt
2. Someone that thinks she has been the luckiest horse on earth
3. Someone that thinks she has beaten absolutely no one

Let me assume your follow up question, just because she is the favorite it means diddly squat, may I remind you of Dollar Bill in the Derby 6-1? So what does that mean, unless you do rate Zenyatta a little higher than you are letting on?

Even if you hated Zenyatta, why offer higher odds than you would have to to get action? People aren't offering 10-1 on even money shots on Betfair, they're offering 3/2 or 2-1.

CSC · #13 10-20-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Even if you hated Zenyatta, why offer higher odds than you would have to to get action? People aren't offering 10-1 on even money shots on Betfair, they're offering 3/2 or 2-1.

This is not straight fwd win bet, I think I articulated the conditions pretty clearly.

hockey2315 · #14 10-20-2010, 05:20 PM

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This is not straight fwd win bet, I think I articulated the conditions pretty clearly.

What isn't a straightforward win bet? You asked if Zenyatta's detractors would offer 10-1 on her winning the classic. Of course they wouldn't--even if they thought that was below her fair odds--because they could get away with offering less.

blackthroatedwind · #15 10-20-2010, 05:31 PM

At least we now know what is truly amazing about Zenyatta.....

she is the first 5YO Filly. Now, that is special. She is definitely the best 5YO Filly I have ever heard of.

Dahoss · #16 10-20-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I'll give you 3 infact.

1. Someone that thinks she will be a complete bust on dirt
2. Someone that thinks she has been the luckiest horse on earth
3. Someone that thinks she has beaten absolutely no one

Let me assume your follow up question, just because she is the favorite it means diddly squat, may I remind you of Dollar Bill in the Derby 6-1? So what does that mean, unless you do rate Zenyatta a little higher than you are letting on?

You find someone offering her at 10-1 and I'll show you a sucker. Plain and simple.

I think she's going to be off the board, but I know enough not to offer up 10-1 on a horse that is going to be 2-1 or less. Only in the land of Zenyatta does that make sense.

Indian Charlie · #17 10-20-2010, 05:23 PM

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You find someone offering her at 10-1 and I'll show you a sucker. Plain and simple.

I think she's going to be off the board, but I know enough not to offer up 10-1 on a horse that is going to be 2-1 or less. Only in the land of Zenyatta does that make sense.

His reasoning for you offering 10/1 would be a good example of a Zenyattard.

Sadly, he has no idea what I mean by that, nor does he know he's one of the all time great Zenyattards.

Remember, CSC1985 thinks that a yielding turf course in Europe is actually firm.