Shirreffs says Zenyatta deserves '10 Horse of the Year

CSC · #1 10-20-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Answer a question directly for once. Why would anyone offer 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite? It makes no sense.

I'll give you 3 infact.

1. Someone that thinks she will be a complete bust on dirt
2. Someone that thinks she has been the luckiest horse on earth
3. Someone that thinks she has beaten absolutely no one

Let me assume your follow up question, just because she is the favorite it means diddly squat, may I remind you of Dollar Bill in the Derby 6-1? So what does that mean, unless you do rate Zenyatta a little higher than you are letting on?

hockey2315 · #2 10-20-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I'll give you 3 infact.

1. Someone that thinks she will be a complete bust on dirt
2. Someone that thinks she has been the luckiest horse on earth
3. Someone that thinks she has beaten absolutely no one

Let me assume your follow up question, just because she is the favorite it means diddly squat, may I remind you of Dollar Bill in the Derby 6-1? So what does that mean, unless you do rate Zenyatta a little higher than you are letting on?

Even if you hated Zenyatta, why offer higher odds than you would have to to get action? People aren't offering 10-1 on even money shots on Betfair, they're offering 3/2 or 2-1.

CSC · #3 10-20-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Even if you hated Zenyatta, why offer higher odds than you would have to to get action? People aren't offering 10-1 on even money shots on Betfair, they're offering 3/2 or 2-1.

This is not straight fwd win bet, I think I articulated the conditions pretty clearly.

hockey2315 · #4 10-20-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

This is not straight fwd win bet, I think I articulated the conditions pretty clearly.

What isn't a straightforward win bet? You asked if Zenyatta's detractors would offer 10-1 on her winning the classic. Of course they wouldn't--even if they thought that was below her fair odds--because they could get away with offering less.

CSC · #5 10-20-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

What isn't a straightforward win bet? You asked if Zenyatta's detractors would offer 10-1 on her winning the classic. Of course they wouldn't--even if they thought that was below her fair odds--because they could get away with offering less.

I would classify this more as a prop bet, it was designed for those that are dead set against her in the classic. They don't even have to like who is running against her, though you are getting get Blame, QR, LAL.

Indian Charlie · #6 10-20-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC1985

I would classify this more as a prop bet, it was designed for those that are dead set against her in the classic. They don't even have to like who is running against her, though you are getting get Blame, QR, LAL.

Only you would classify a win bet as a prop bet.

hockey2315 · #7 10-20-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I would classify this more as a prop bet, it was designed for those that are dead set against her in the classic. They don't even have to like who is running against her, though you are getting get Blame, QR, LAL.

I think you try to use confusing responses to hide the fact that your original points are idiotic, but you just make yourself look more stupid.

How is what you're describing different from booking a horse?

CSC · #8 10-20-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think you try to use confusing responses to hide the fact that your original points are idiotic, but you just make yourself look more stupid.

How is what you're describing different from booking a horse?

You obviously don't understand, the bet is based on if Zenyatta wins or loses. The taker is betting that she will lose. How does this equate to a win bet for the taker?

Dahoss · #9 10-20-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think you try to use confusing responses to hide the fact that your original points are idiotic, but you just make yourself look more stupid.

I think you nailed it.

blackthroatedwind · #10 10-20-2010, 04:31 PM

At least we now know what is truly amazing about Zenyatta.....

she is the first 5YO Filly. Now, that is special. She is definitely the best 5YO Filly I have ever heard of.

jms62 · #11 10-20-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

At least we now know what is truly amazing about Zenyatta.....

she is the first 5YO Filly. Now, that is special. She is definitely the best 5YO Filly I have ever heard of.

Dahoss · #12 10-20-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I'll give you 3 infact.

1. Someone that thinks she will be a complete bust on dirt
2. Someone that thinks she has been the luckiest horse on earth
3. Someone that thinks she has beaten absolutely no one

Let me assume your follow up question, just because she is the favorite it means diddly squat, may I remind you of Dollar Bill in the Derby 6-1? So what does that mean, unless you do rate Zenyatta a little higher than you are letting on?

You find someone offering her at 10-1 and I'll show you a sucker. Plain and simple.

I think she's going to be off the board, but I know enough not to offer up 10-1 on a horse that is going to be 2-1 or less. Only in the land of Zenyatta does that make sense.

Indian Charlie · #13 10-20-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

You find someone offering her at 10-1 and I'll show you a sucker. Plain and simple.

I think she's going to be off the board, but I know enough not to offer up 10-1 on a horse that is going to be 2-1 or less. Only in the land of Zenyatta does that make sense.

His reasoning for you offering 10/1 would be a good example of a Zenyattard.

Sadly, he has no idea what I mean by that, nor does he know he's one of the all time great Zenyattards.

Remember, CSC1985 thinks that a yielding turf course in Europe is actually firm.