Shirreffs says Zenyatta deserves '10 Horse of the Year

CSC · #1 10-20-2010, 02:22 PM

Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?

Dahoss · #2 10-20-2010, 02:26 PM

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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?

What gambler would offer 10-1 on a horse that will be the prohibitive favorite?

CSC · #3 10-20-2010, 02:30 PM

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What gambler would offer 10-1 on a horse that will be the prohibitive favorite?

Well, I wouldn't because I think there's a real possibilty she can win, but others may be dead set against her. Or it certainly sounds like it from reading the posts here of late.

Dahoss · #4 10-20-2010, 03:00 PM

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Well, I wouldn't because I think there's a real possibilty she can win, but others may be dead set against her. Or it certainly sounds like it from reading the posts here of late.

You think there's a real possibilty she can win? You don't say...

Big difference between not thinking a horse will win and offering 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite. I would think this should be obvious.

CSC · #5 10-20-2010, 03:31 PM

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You think there's a real possibilty she can win? You don't say...

Big difference between not thinking a horse will win and offering 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite. I would think this should be obvious.

She could run her best race and still finish second, Blame or Quality Road could both run career highs? Lookin at Lucky is an improving 3 yr old and could be deemed as extremely dangerous, and finally those that believe Zenyatta has beaten nothing in her career, as you have pointed out many times here would entertain the thought atleast.

Dahoss · #6 10-20-2010, 04:03 PM

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She could run her best race and still finish second, Blame or Quality Road could both run career highs? Lookin at Lucky is an improving 3 yr old and could be deemed as extremely dangerous, and finally those that believe Zenyatta has beaten nothing in her career, as you have pointed out many times here would entertain the thought atleast.

Answer a question directly for once. Why would anyone offer 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite? It makes no sense.

10 pnt move up · #7 10-20-2010, 04:05 PM

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Answer a question directly for once. Why would anyone offer 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite? It makes no sense.

as a bookmaker maybe to attract all the action because they feel she should be 100/1?

slotdirt · #8 10-20-2010, 04:05 PM

If I had a load of cash, I'd pay whomever would take it to not run Zenyatta at CD and instead go in some fake race out in CA just so I wouldn't have to hear about Jay Hovdey's Zenyatta boner for the next five years if she actually won.

CSC · #9 10-20-2010, 04:09 PM

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Answer a question directly for once. Why would anyone offer 10-1 on a horse that will be a prohibitive favorite? It makes no sense.

I'll give you 3 infact.

1. Someone that thinks she will be a complete bust on dirt
2. Someone that thinks she has been the luckiest horse on earth
3. Someone that thinks she has beaten absolutely no one

Let me assume your follow up question, just because she is the favorite it means diddly squat, may I remind you of Dollar Bill in the Derby 6-1? So what does that mean, unless you do rate Zenyatta a little higher than you are letting on?

robfla · #10 10-20-2010, 02:33 PM

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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?

Reading some of the comments here, I'll offer 3:2 odds to anyone that thinks she will win. Sounds a lot fairer than your offer.

Indian Charlie · #11 10-20-2010, 02:38 PM

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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?

Will you offer 10/1 that she doesn't run?

declansharbor · #12 10-20-2010, 02:59 PM

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Will you offer 10/1 that she doesn't run?

PM me if he/she won't offer.

Cannon Shell · #13 10-20-2010, 02:52 PM

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Reading some of the comments here, I'm curious to all the detractors of Zenyatta will they offer 10-1 odds that she will not win the classic?

You are missing the point.

CSC · #14 10-20-2010, 03:34 PM

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You are missing the point.

Cannon, I got it. I think some here do reluctantly respect her, however I was touching on the one's that don't.

Cannon Shell · #15 10-20-2010, 03:44 PM

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Cannon, I got it. I think some here do reluctantly respect her, however I was touching on the one's that don't.

I really dont know of anyone that doesnt respect her. I do know many that don't respect the vast majority of her competition. Sometimes the Zenyattaites blur that line.

It is a huge accomplishment to win that many races in a row, especially with her running style. But in horseracing the strength of schedule and margin of victory are just as important. She can win the BC Classic and retire 20 for 20 and have her special place in history. But those believing that her overall racing record places her with the greats of the game just don't have a very good understanding of the history of the sport.

10 pnt move up · #16 10-20-2010, 03:53 PM

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I really dont know of anyone that doesnt respect her.

this is a joke right?

Cannon Shell · #17 10-20-2010, 03:58 PM

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this is a joke right?

Show me an example

CSC · #18 10-20-2010, 03:54 PM

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I really dont know of anyone that doesnt respect her. I do know many that don't respect the vast majority of her competition. Sometimes the Zenyattaites blur that line.

It is a huge accomplishment to win that many races in a row, especially with her running style. But in horseracing the strength of schedule and margin of victory are just as important. She can win the BC Classic and retire 20 for 20 and have her special place in history. But those believing that her overall racing record places her with the greats of the game just don't have a very good understanding of the history of the sport.

Yep, I understand this and it is a fair criticism. The term Zenyattaturd is such a generalization that I really don't know what it means anymore. Regardless of her competition I have seen enough of her to know she is a special horse, I said earlier this week there is still 1-5% of me that needs confirmation, and that's what brings us to the classic. Sheriffs and Moss have made their beds, if it comes down to one race to define her, win - lose that is what we have. Unfortunate as most horses throw in clunkers now and then, but it is what it is.

Cannon Shell · #19 10-20-2010, 04:03 PM

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Yep, I understand this and it is a fair criticism. The term Zenyattaturd is such a generalization that I really don't know what it means anymore. Regardless of her competition I have seen enough of her to know she is a special horse, I said earlier this week there is still 1-5% of me that needs confirmation, and that's what brings us to the classic. Sheriffs and Moss have made their beds, if it comes down to one race to define her, win - lose that is what we have. Unfortunate as most horses throw in clunkers now and then, but it is what it is.

In your opinion she is special. That is the crux of the problem. They had plenty of opportunities to define her greatness yet here we are after 19 races still debating her merits. Take any great horse and go back to the weeks before their last race. Name one horse whose credentials would be questioned as much as this filly's?

10 pnt move up · #20 10-20-2010, 04:04 PM

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In your opinion she is special. That is the crux of the problem. They had plenty of opportunities to define her greatness yet here we are after 19 races still debating her merits. Take any great horse and go back to the weeks before their last race. Name one horse whose credentials would be questioned as much as this filly's?

She was a 5 year old filly winning the BC Classic...that means something. Fillies dont win that race.