A truly bad day for N.J.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

I think it's a great way to say it. The off-track/on-track split is so far from equitable it's a joke, and a major drain on the industry. ADW's are nothing more than used-car dealers yet get paid as producers.

It's, at best, a poor oversimplification....and at worst a gross misrepresentation.

The tracks set these rates.

What's funny is that when there are impasses when tracks fight for higher fees, message boards get filled with people screaming about the piggish nature of racetracks, yet here they are apparently being " ripped off. " Both arguments can't be true.

It's a complicated discussion.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Does he know you are quoting your conversation on a public message board?

NO, and I didn't want to reveal my information source because it's sensitive information, but you CALLED ME A LIAR.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's, at best, a poor oversimplification....and at worst a gross misrepresentation.

The tracks set these rates.

What's funny is that when there are impasses when tracks fight for higher fees, message boards get filled with people screaming about the piggish nature of racetracks, yet here they are apparently being " ripped off. " Both arguments can't be true.

It's a complicated discussion.

Of course, whatever I say these days is an "oversimplification" and a "misrepresentation".

MY OPINION IS the tracks are getting ripped off. ADW's and OTB's provide very little and get paid too much for it.

I'm done with this thread.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's, at best, a poor oversimplification....and at worst a gross misrepresentation.

The tracks set these rates.

What's funny is that when there are impasses when tracks fight for higher fees, message boards get filled with people screaming about the piggish nature of racetracks, yet here they are apparently being " ripped off. " Both arguments can't be true.

It's a complicated discussion.

I have never once screamed about the piggish nature of the tracks. I'm always on the side of the horsemen / organization that puts on the racing product.

I've always thought the tracks get the raw end of the deal. Obviously, they negotiate the deals, but what are they going to do? Not sell the signal & go out of business?

sorry for the poor oversimplification, or gross misrepresentation

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I have never once screamed about the piggish nature of the tracks. I'm always on the side of the horsemen / organization that puts on the racing product.

I've always thought the tracks get the raw end of the deal. Obviously, they negotiate the deals, but what are they going to do? Not sell the signal & go out of business?

sorry for the poor oversimplification, or gross misrepresentation

The irony is that everytime an entity like NYRA or Tracknet tries to get more money for its signal, among the first people to balk and pull the signal are the members of the Mid-Atlantic Cooperative, which includes the NJSEA tracks.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I have never once screamed about the piggish nature of the tracks. I'm always on the side of the horsemen / organization that puts on the racing product.

I've always thought the tracks get the raw end of the deal. Obviously, they negotiate the deals, but what are they going to do? Not sell the signal & go out of business?

sorry for the poor oversimplification, or gross misrepresentation

Geez....stop.

Whatever I say gets taken as some personal insult. Guess what.....it isn't. It's an attempt at a discussion.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Geez....stop.

Whatever I say gets taken as some personal insult. Guess what.....it isn't. It's an attempt at a discussion.

hey it didnt bother me. The internet is the internet, I take it for what it is and thank DT for making my work hours go by faster.

I just know that those two phrases were the farthest from my mind when I used the term "ripped off".

Do you believe tracks get fairly compensated for their signal?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

hey it didnt bother me. The internet is the internet, I take it for what it is and thank DT for making my work hours go by faster.

I just know that those two phrases were the farthest from my mind when I used the term "ripped off".

Do you believe tracks get fairly compensated for their signal?

I never even imagined you were trying to say something either unfair or incorrect ( just as, even though he felt a need to make it up, I never called Phil anything close to a " liar " ). I was actually responding more to Phil's response to me ( he likes to take the opposing side to my posts....it's an endearing quality of his ).

The signal fee discussion is a very long, interesting, and complicated one...that frankly I don't have nearly the time for ( at least right now ). Perhaps we can have it over a drink or ten some time this summer. Obviously racetracks started off selling their signals at seemingly very low rates. However, there are a lot of factors to take into consideration in the discussions. Track to track rates face different variables than Track to ADW relationships.

I just hate simple terms like " ripped off " for these very complex discussions. It's probably just another of my annoying qualities.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I never even imagined you were trying to say something either unfair or incorrect ( just as, even though he felt a need to make it up, I never called Phil anything close to a " liar " ). I was actually responding more to Phil's response to me ( he likes to take the opposing side to my posts....it's an endearing quality of his ).

The signal fee discussion is a very long, interesting, and complicated one...that frankly I don't have nearly the time for ( at least right now ). Perhaps we can have it over a drink or ten some time this summer. Obviously racetracks started off selling their signals at seemingly very low rates. However, there are a lot of factors to take into consideration in the discussions. Track to track rates face different variables than Track to ADW relationships.

I just hate simple terms like " ripped off " for these very complex discussions. It's probably just another of my annoying qualities.

Race track operators seem to have a unique habit of putting themselves in situations to get bent over in the future. One of the best parts of the RTIP is the Joe Hirsch Speaker Series, where you get to hear from & talk to guys like Charles Champion, to Race Track simulcast directors & hear different sides of the situations. I found myself many times thinking, "no, really?" when it comes to this issue, & others similar. Especially when you are looking at it from a 2001-2005 perspective & not a 1970's perspective. But one of racings best qualities is its ability to evolve (though I do understand the difficulties in evolving)

You're going to have to have 10 extra for me, since I will be enjoying Saratoga from the confines of my cubby in Slowcala, FL. I know I will be breaking many of hearts, not being able to run wild for at least a long weekend in the greatest summer vacation spot on earth. 13 straight years..

[richard burch]

Does what the fatso Governor said yesterday automatically become law or do they have to vote on it? Can the democrats stop this?

Is there a chance this may not go through until some other alternative ideas are presented?

If this does pass, does racing stop after the current meets end?




Where are you R. Codey? Now is your chance to be a hero!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Geez....stop.

Whatever I say gets taken as some personal insult. Guess what.....it isn't. It's an attempt at a discussion.

On another note we will be looking for your 2010 version of Meese Rocks in the coming weeks... Good Luck this meet.