Look Out, Quality Road

RockHardTen1985 · #1 07-13-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here's the problem with the " Quality Road can't get 1 1/4 " argument....he already showed with his 2nd in the JCGC last year that he can, and given the competition out there, it's hard to imagine who can realistically do it faster than him.

However, it does seem likely he will be more effective going one mile to 1 1/8, and I can't argue that he has had reasonably good setups in his races, and perhaps the dynamics won't be in his favor in the BC Classic. He still may be so much better than his competition that he will win. I guess we'll see. However, we have already seen that he can run very well at 1 1/4 miles....and on a racetrack ( a very wet one ) that probably isn't his favored surface.

Not to rehash a dreaded name, but it's just like the silly argument that for some reason Rachel Alexandra supposedly can't get 1 1/4 miles, despite running a tremendous race in the Preakness at 1 3/16 when she won despite running way against race dynamics. Now, Fat Man, you can't use race dynamics when they suit your argument, but ignore them when they don't.

I have said for a while now that the QR not being able to get 10f is really not an argument at all. People love to hate this horse, he was a horse for the Gulfstream course even though he had won at Aqueduct, Saratoga and ran huge at Belmont. How do you run a 110 beyer, vs the champion 3yr old going 10f if you cant get 10f?

CSC · #2 07-13-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have said for a while now that the QR not being able to get 10f is really not an argument at all. People love to hate this horse, he was a horse for the Gulfstream course even though he had won at Aqueduct, Saratoga and ran huge at Belmont. How do you run a 110 beyer, vs the champion 3yr old going 10f if you cant get 10f?

I think you missed the point again, sure he can get 1 1/4 depending on the trip and the competition, but as I have tried to tell you last month, it probably isn't his ideal distance. With his penchant of attracting money in any race he shows up in, is he really your best bet?

Danzig · #3 07-13-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I think you missed the point again, sure he can get 1 1/4 depending on the trip and the competition, but as I have tried to tell you last month, it probably isn't his ideal distance. With his penchant of attracting money in any race he shows up in, is he really your best bet?

he may not be the best bet-but that's the case in any race he will enter from here on out.

CSC · #4 07-13-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he may not be the best bet-but that's the case in any race he will enter from here on out.

Agreed, that is why if one has an opinion that he has a chink in his armour, he is one you try to beat.

blackthroatedwind · #5 07-13-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he may not be the best bet-but that's the case in any race he will enter from here on out.

Case in point....why bother responding?

Danzig · #6 07-13-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Case in point....why bother responding?

not sure...maybe i'm in the mood to debate?? lol

but, it's really just like any other race, with any other field. can you beat the fave? if so, try. if not, find the plays underneath, or in a sequence. if qr faces off vs a quality 10f'er, try to beat him. but, everyone really already knows that....

RockHardTen1985 · #7 07-13-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I think you missed the point again, sure he can get 1 1/4 depending on the trip and the competition, but as I have tried to tell you last month, it probably isn't his ideal distance. With his penchant of attracting money in any race he shows up in, is he really your best bet?

Who cares if its ideal? Are you kidding me, a lot of things in racing are not ideal. If he goes in the Classic he is the most likely winner, PERIOD. He is just faster then anyone else.

CSC · #8 07-13-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Who cares if its ideal? Are you kidding me, a lot of things in racing are not ideal. If he goes in the Classic he is the most likely winner, PERIOD. He is just faster then anyone else.

We don't know who will be in the field yet, but supposing the field turns up solid, I'm sure there will be better bets.

RockHardTen1985 · #9 07-13-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

We don't know who will be in the field yet, but supposing the field turns up solid, I'm sure there will be better bets.

Why is it about betting, I spent an hour last night discussing why I think Paddy O' Prado is a toss out this weekend, I am the first one to try to beat the chalk, but Quality Road is working on a resume this year and running speed figures that might make him go down as an all time great. I think he is that good, and I dont think Rail Trip going to Dutrow scares anyone in the Todd Barn.

Danzig · #10 07-13-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why is it about betting, I spent an hour last night discussing why I think Paddy O' Prado is a toss out this weekend, I am the first one to try to beat the chalk, but Quality Road is working on a resume this year and running speed figures that might make him go down as an all time great. I think he is that good, and I dont think Rail Trip going to Dutrow scares anyone in the Todd Barn.

he doesn't run enough to be an all-time great. i don't think when people toss that phrase around that they realize exactly what category that puts a horse.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 07-13-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

he doesn't run enough to be an all-time great. i don't think when people toss that phrase around that they realize exactly what category that puts a horse.

Danzig I think the correct way to put it would be he has not run enough yet. If Quality Road runs in and wins the races they are pointing him to, I dont think it will be a debate at that point. Is that fair?

CSC · #12 07-13-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why is it about betting, I spent an hour last night discussing why I think Paddy O' Prado is a toss out this weekend, I am the first one to try to beat the chalk, but Quality Road is working on a resume this year and running speed figures that might make him go down as an all time great. I think he is that good, and I dont think Rail Trip going to Dutrow scares anyone in the Todd Barn.

I hate to use Medaglia D'oro as an example because he was better than what Quality Road has shown thus far shown, many will agree he was better at 9 furlongs than 10 and I think the same holds true for QR. Liking a horse at 9 doesn't necessarily mean they will win the Classic at 1 1/4.

parsixfarms · #13 07-13-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Who cares if its ideal? Are you kidding me, a lot of things in racing are not ideal. If he goes in the Classic he is the most likely winner, PERIOD. He is just faster then anyone else.

Faster at a mile? Sure. But that doesn't mean he'll be "better" at 10F. In many races, the "fastest" horse doesn't win.