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[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I missed it...when did Zenyatta beat boys at equal weights?

Zenyatta only spotted the boys 3 pounds in the Classic and I was refering to RA racing Zenyatta at equal weight at 1 1/4.

RA had a nice go as a 3 yo, but I still dont see undefeated in her PPs.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Why bring her back? If she won Horse of the Year last year, would she still be running tomorrow?

Probably not, so the answer to the question depends on who you ask. To most owners I would think it matters. I know what you mean about the HOY being wrapped up before the BCC and if they ran her in the Foster and won and continued a schedule that would be comparable to Quality Road and won the BCC the fans would get what they want and so would they.

They seem to be willing to take a chance that others will fail and they could simply pick up the remains in the BCC with a fresh horse.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Why bring her back? If she won Horse of the Year last year, would she still be running tomorrow?

Most likely not and that is what is wrong with her campain.

The Mosse's must think that if she goes undefeated and manages to win a 2ond Breeders Cup Classic that gets her HOY.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

RA had a nice go as a 3 yo, but I still dont see undefeated in her PPs.

BFD.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Zenyatta only spotted the boys 3 pounds in the Classic and I was refering to RA racing Zenyatta at equal weight at 1 1/4.

.

So when did Zenyatta race RA at equal weight at 1 1/4 then? What am I missing here?

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

BFD.

`Oh ,but it is.

It's amazing hope people just love to hate.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

`Oh ,but it is.

It's amazing hope people just love to hate.

Nah, but when your argument is essentially "Rachel's nice but she's not UNDEFEATEDD!!!1!!!11!!!" it's too easy to point out the lameness.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And people wonder where the Peppers Pride analogies come from.



She set a fast pace, completely fractured a good horse in Jessica Is Back and blew the race open in the stretch to win by 10+ in 1:48 gathered up late. What more could she have done today?

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

Pleae don't bring logic into this argument.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

Congratuations on being the biggest hypocrite on this board, if you can put down your poms poms for a moment, and take a step back you will notice St. Trinians is a grade 2 winner that beat the BC Distaff winner, has lost only once in NA, in a race a Gr.1 race against males where she was the favorite in which all her races till that point were easy wins.

What has the 6 yr old Jessica is Back done outside of Florida? How many graded stakes wins has she won? Her main claim to fame is finishing 2nd in the Gr.3 Sixty Sails. This to you means she is better than St. Trinians, if so I would love to hear why you think so...U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

I think the difference is that Zenyatta is at the top of her game and therefore could be in races like the Californian or pointed to the Gold Cup, Goodwood etc. and that is why most people are unsatisfied with her schedule.

I think most people who question her campaign do so out of a respect of Zenyatta's ability. She could be dominating races like the Grade 1s for males all year. At this point, I would take a shot against the Rail Trips and Blames of the equine world before I would run against the fillies and risk Zenyatta getting a terrible trip and one of the other fillies getting a dream trip and beating her.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think the difference is that Zenyatta is at the top of her game and therefore could be in races like the Californian or pointed to the Gold Cup, Goodwood etc. and that is why most people are unsatisfied with her schedule.

I think most people who question her campaign do so out of a respect of Zenyatta's ability. She could be dominating races like the Grade 1s for males all year. At this point, I would take a shot against the Rail Trips and Blames of the equine world before I would run against the fillies and risk Zenyatta getting a terrible trip and one of the other fillies getting a dream trip and beating her.

If St. Trinians was in the Californian yesterday, she would have been the second choice and most likely the main opposition for Rail Trip. She shouldn't be confused with a Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back. This is a better challenge than most give it credit for, 9 lbs and all.

[Travis Stone]

There is no reason why Zenyatta should not be targeting the Hollywood Gold Cup. Ten furlongs, a racetrack she loves... no reason to not be there.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Nah, but when your argument is essentially "Rachel's nice but she's not UNDEFEATEDD!!!1!!!11!!!" it's too easy to point out the lameness.

Zenyatta is a deep closer that is undefeated in 16 races and that will never be done again at grade 1 level racing.

RA has shown that she was the top 3 yo in the country last year and her campain this year is showing signs that she might not want to keep doing it. That is not the same a undefeated over 16 races.

People do love to hate, weather its East vs West, Bush vs Obama or Z vs RA thats the way it is.

Enjoy it while you can.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by CSC

If St. Trinians was in the Californian yesterday, she would have been better opposition than anyone else in that field against Rail Trip. She's not a Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back.

OH MY GOD.

Do you ever stop?

What does Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back have to do with Zenyatta's ability to handle the Californian field and possible Gold Cup, Goodwood fields? Only you can miss what is actually a compliment of Zenyatta's ability and think it somehow has to do with Rachel.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

There is no reason why Zenyatta should not be targeting the Hollywood Gold Cup. Ten furlongs, a racetrack she loves... no reason to not be there.

I have no problem with this, however she most likely has only 3 races left in her career after today. If this is the case they need a filler late in the summer before the BC, which means there will be one more race on the calendar. Just which race they choose will be the $1000 dollar question, if it's N.Y I'll take that over the HWGC.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

There is no reason why Zenyatta should not be targeting the Hollywood Gold Cup. Ten furlongs, a racetrack she loves... no reason to not be there.

I totally agree.

I still think she should of taken on the Met Mile at one turn.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

OH MY GOD.

Do you ever stop?

What does Distinctive Dixie or Jessica is Back have to do with Zenyatta's ability to handle the Californian field and possible Gold Cup, Goodwood fields? Only you can miss what is actually a compliment of Zenyatta's ability and think it somehow has to do with Rachel.

I think you misunderstood me, what I am saying is St. Trinians is not much worst than Rail Trip(who I predict will fall back to earth as the yr progresses). Making today's race not the walkover it is portrayed to be. That's all, that's what I keep hearing here, people want her challenged. well this isn't the Foster but it isn't like last year's Vanity either. Setting the record straight.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

If St Trinians isnt better than Jessica is Back (which itself is extremely questionable), i would wager most would agree that Zardana certainly is. No? Show me proof she is not. i dare you.

You can question my race watching ability all you want and no doubt it is certainly questionable (ask youbet!) but what was so much better about that performance yesterday? She faced weaker company than she had previously faced and she was able to draw off in the stretch. In her last race, replace unrivaled belle with jessica is back or that other nag from yesterday and Rachel does the exact same thing. How is this better? Because her speed fig came out higher?

I don't want to get deep in to this whole "who is better" thing. I am just saying that Rachel did what she was supposed to do yesterday and she did it stylishly but you aren't going to be able to tell anything about where she is until you put a real horse in there against her as opposed to the claimers she beat yesterday. Is that not a fair statement?