Fleur de Lis and Foster online?

ateamstupid · #1 06-12-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2

17-0 is 17-0.

And people wonder where the Peppers Pride analogies come from.

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Originally Posted by CSC

Funny in YOUR world beating a group of gr.2 misfits constitutes a description of 'awesome' when another horse that beats a gr.1 field is described as beating crap. Do me a favor and take some of that free advice you like handing out.

She set a fast pace, completely fractured a good horse in Jessica Is Back and blew the race open in the stretch to win by 10+ in 1:48 gathered up late. What more could she have done today?

CSC · #2 06-12-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And people wonder where the Peppers Pride analogies come from.

She set a fast pace, completely fractured a good horse in Jessica Is Back and blew the race open in the stretch to win by 10+ in 1:48 gathered up late. What more could she have done today?

Most of us can read a racing chart.

ateamstupid · #3 06-12-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I can read a racing chart.

Good, because you sure as hell don't know how to watch a race.

CSC · #4 06-12-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Good, because you sure as hell don't know how to watch a race.

Ditto.

ateamstupid · #5 06-12-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Ditto.

You didn't answer the question. What more could she have done today? If the answer is nothing, then you should probably admit that you were going to be a hating jerkoff after the race no matter what.

CSC · #6 06-12-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You didn't answer the question. What more could she have done today? If the answer is nothing, then you should probably admit that you were going to be a hating jerkoff after the race no matter what.

Ah excuse me, you didn't answer mine. When you do maybe I'll return the favor.

Hating jackoff, that's just precious. Notice the Zenyatta faction hasn't used any such descriptions. Nice to be on this side of the conservation.

ateamstupid · #7 06-12-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Ah excuse me, you didn't answer mine. When you do maybe I'll return the favor.

Hating jackoff, that's just precious. Notice the Zenyatta faction hasn't used any such descriptions. Nice to be on this side.

I told you why she was awesome, and you had no response. Just deflection, as usual. You've had three chances now to explain what more she could've done and why she wasn't impressive, and you can't do so. So yeah, I'd call you a hater.

"Zenyatta faction," "this side," FFS stop with the Crips and Bloods bullshit.

Thunder Gulch · #8 06-12-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You didn't answer the question. What more could she have done today? If the answer is nothing, then you should probably admit that you were going to be a hating jerkoff after the race no matter what.

What she could have done is quit running scared and actually risk losing by trying the Foster where the competition measured up. Just because the "other" camp is afraid of a challenge doesn't mean these guys need to suddenly get shy. Impressive but she beat nothing. I hope they step out next time- win or lose.

Rileyoriley · #9 06-12-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

What she could have done is quit running scared and actually risk losing by trying the Foster where the competition measured up. Just because the "other" camp is afraid of a challenge doesn't mean these guys need to suddenly get shy. Impressive but she beat nothing. I hope they step out next time- win or lose.

She needed a confidence builder. It was the right thing to do for the horse.

ateamstupid · #10 06-12-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

What she could have done is quit running scared and actually risk losing by trying the Foster where the competition measured up. Just because the "other" camp is afraid of a challenge doesn't mean these guys need to suddenly get shy. Impressive but she beat nothing. I hope they step out next time- win or lose.

Running scared? She lost twice this year to mediocre fillies. They should've gone in the Foster off of those two races? Slightly different circumstances than a horse on a 16-race winning streak.

dalakhani · #11 06-12-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And people wonder where the Peppers Pride analogies come from.

She set a fast pace, completely fractured a good horse in Jessica Is Back and blew the race open in the stretch to win by 10+ in 1:48 gathered up late. What more could she have done today?

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

TitanSooner · #12 06-12-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

Pleae don't bring logic into this argument.

ateamstupid · #13 06-13-2010, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

She couldnt have done anything more than what she did today. I agree. But, Joey, do you really sincerely believe that Jessica is Back is a "good horse"? She is an allowance/stakes also ran that could just have easily been running for a tag yesterday.

This was a joke of a field and if Zenyatta beat this same field tomorrow at hollywood park, many would be asking to put an asterisk by the win.

I don't think there is any evidence that says this is the "real rachel" and the one that raced a month ago against Unrivaled belle was some type of impostor. She is the same filly. Its what was running behind her today that changed.

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

CSC · #14 06-13-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

Congratuations on being the biggest hypocrite on this board, if you can put down your poms poms for a moment, and take a step back you will notice St. Trinians is a grade 2 winner that beat the BC Distaff winner, has lost only once in NA, in a race a Gr.1 race against males where she was the favorite in which all her races till that point were easy wins.

What has the 6 yr old Jessica is Back done outside of Florida? How many graded stakes wins has she won? Her main claim to fame is finishing 2nd in the Gr.3 Sixty Sails. This to you means she is better than St. Trinians, if so I would love to hear why you think so...U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E.

dalakhani · #15 06-13-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

St Trinians is better than Jessica Is Back? Show me the proof of that. I dare you. Rachel stepped forward today from the last two races. If you can't see that, I worry about your ability to watch races.

If St Trinians isnt better than Jessica is Back (which itself is extremely questionable), i would wager most would agree that Zardana certainly is. No? Show me proof she is not. i dare you.

You can question my race watching ability all you want and no doubt it is certainly questionable (ask youbet!) but what was so much better about that performance yesterday? She faced weaker company than she had previously faced and she was able to draw off in the stretch. In her last race, replace unrivaled belle with jessica is back or that other nag from yesterday and Rachel does the exact same thing. How is this better? Because her speed fig came out higher?

I don't want to get deep in to this whole "who is better" thing. I am just saying that Rachel did what she was supposed to do yesterday and she did it stylishly but you aren't going to be able to tell anything about where she is until you put a real horse in there against her as opposed to the claimers she beat yesterday. Is that not a fair statement?

RockHardTen1985 · #16 06-13-2010, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

If St Trinians isnt better than Jessica is Back (which itself is extremely questionable), i would wager most would agree that Zardana certainly is. No? Show me proof she is not. i dare you.

You can question my race watching ability all you want and no doubt it is certainly questionable (ask youbet!) but what was so much better about that performance yesterday? She faced weaker company than she had previously faced and she was able to draw off in the stretch. In her last race, replace unrivaled belle with jessica is back or that other nag from yesterday and Rachel does the exact same thing. How is this better? Because her speed fig came out higher?

I don't want to get deep in to this whole "who is better" thing. I am just saying that Rachel did what she was supposed to do yesterday and she did it stylishly but you aren't going to be able to tell anything about where she is until you put a real horse in there against her as opposed to the claimers she beat yesterday. Is that not a fair statement?

On dirt, I think JIB would destroy ST, but ST is pretty solid on synthetics. Who knows who she comes back today though? She has a lot of issues and is pretty dam crooked.

dalakhani · #17 06-13-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

On dirt, I think JIB would destroy ST, but ST is pretty solid on synthetics. Who knows who she comes back today though? She has a lot of issues and is pretty dam crooked.

She has never run on dirt. You are assuming that JIB would "destroy" St Trinians based on all of the success Jessica has had in beating Graded Stakes winning foes?

Danzig · #18 06-13-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

If St Trinians isnt better than Jessica is Back (which itself is extremely questionable), i would wager most would agree that Zardana certainly is. No? Show me proof she is not. i dare you.

You can question my race watching ability all you want and no doubt it is certainly questionable (ask youbet!) but what was so much better about that performance yesterday? She faced weaker company than she had previously faced and she was able to draw off in the stretch. In her last race, replace unrivaled belle with jessica is back or that other nag from yesterday and Rachel does the exact same thing. How is this better? Because her speed fig came out higher?

I don't want to get deep in to this whole "who is better" thing. I am just saying that Rachel did what she was supposed to do yesterday and she did it stylishly but you aren't going to be able to tell anything about where she is until you put a real horse in there against her as opposed to the claimers she beat yesterday. Is that not a fair statement?

i disagree. she may have managed a win rather than a scant second, but she seemed better to me yesterday than in her last two as well. we'll see how things go from here.

dalakhani · #19 06-13-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i disagree. she may have managed a win rather than a scant second, but she seemed better to me yesterday than in her last two as well. we'll see how things go from here.

Fair enough Zig. I look younger next to Joan Rivers.

parsixfarms · #20 06-13-2010, 10:29 AM

Because of the significantly lower level of competition yesterday, it's hard to truly assess Rachel's performance yesterday versus her first two races this year. Do I think she improved over the Fair Grounds race and the La Troienne? Yes. Do I think "she's back" to where she was last year? No. Because of her running with her head cocked to the side, I still have nagging doubts about where she's at.

I hope that her connections point her to the Ruffian at Saratoga. To bite off something more than that would probably be doing Rachel a disservice at this time.