Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your being completely hypocritical here, there is no more reason to go east for zenyatta as there is for QR to go west.

Or what, is this another "if you want to be considered great you have to race at belmont or saratoga" ideas that seemed to permeate Azeri's career with the racing fans?

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're right. unless of course they want to be able to say they travelled, took on the best, etc etc.

I love the whole QR ain't shipping west this year.

Did the Zenyattards forget he actually did ship to California for the BCC last year?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I love the whole QR ain't shipping west this year.

Did the Zenyattards forget he actually did ship to California for the BCC last year?

and Zenyatta is going to ship twice, what is your point?

Frankly if I owned the horse she would never race in california but the complete double standard being applied here is not the logical argument.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

and Zenyatta is going to ship twice, what is your point?

Frankly if I owned the horse she would never race in california but the complete double standard being applied here is not the logical argument.

Since when is shipping like some huge handicap?

There is no double standard. Quality Road is running in the better races, period. Running in the Donn, Met Mile, Whitney, Woodward means he is running in the best races both historically and prestigewise. There is no comparison. Hell Zenyatta isn't even running in the best races in Ca. She didn't run in the Big Cap, she isn't going to run in the hollywood Gold Cup, She isnt going to run in the Pacific Classic...and the CA older horse division is terrible.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when is shipping like some huge handicap?

There is no double standard. Quality Road is running in the better races, period. Running in the Donn, Met Mile, Whitney, Woodward means he is running in the best races both historically and prestigewise. There is no comparison. Hell Zenyatta isn't even running in the best races in Ca. She didn't run in the Big Cap, she isn't going to run in the hollywood Gold Cup, She isnt going to run in the Pacific Classic...and the CA older horse division is terrible.

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

I would have put money on Rachel against a healthy QR last year in the Haskell & Preakness. The Woodward would have been interesting. RA could have possibly worn out QR on the lead like she did all the other horses in the race. actually I think if QR was in the Woodward last year they would have burnt each other out.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

If Quality Road and Rachel "All options are open" Alexandra were in last year's Traver's and JCGC, and yes QR was we know that, they both would have finished behind Summer Bird, and yet both would still be regarded higher than Zenyatta on Derbytrail.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just when it appeared you couldn't be any more idiotic.

If there ever were an unreachable bar.

Originally Posted by CSC

If Quality Road and Rachel "All options are open" Alexandra were in last year's Traver's and JCGC, and yes QR was we know that, they both would have finished behind Summer Bird, and yet both would still be regarded higher than Zenyatta on Derbytrail.

I always love this. Rachel dusted Summer Bird at Monmouth, but it's a freakin' certainty to the Zentologists that she would've lost to him had they faced again. And how all of this validates Zenyatta, I still don't understand.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

So you're allowing that QR is better than Zenyatta and will win HOY over her then?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If there ever were an unreachable bar.



I always love this. Rachel dusted Summer Bird at Monmouth, but it's a freakin' certainty to the Zentologists that she would've lost to him had they faced again. And how all of this validates Zenyatta, I still don't understand.



So you're allowing that QR is better than Zenyatta and will win HOY over her then?

QR is faster no doubt, especially this year. Though it seems like the best bet to beat him would be to have a very fresh horse at 10 furlongs, not exactly many places to make that happen. From that standpoint it makes some sense what they are doing with Z.

I also think its a bit selfish, they want to race her where they live, have already shipped once, and will ship again. I also think there is a lot of pressure from the tracks to support cal racing.

I am not saying its what I would do with the horse, just trying to present both sides of the argument.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I always love this. Rachel dusted Summer Bird at Monmouth, but it's a freakin' certainty to the Zentologists that she would've lost to him had they faced again. And how all of this validates Zenyatta, I still don't understand.

This is always the one absolute Rachelites like to hang their hats on, if you want to continue to hullicinate that Summer Bird ran his best race that day to be life and death to hold off the slightly better than mediocre sprinter Munnings for second then I can't help you. Rachel would have been dusted in the Travers and JCGC if they weren't afraid of the competition past Sept 5. Well judging by this year's actions the connections are still afraid. Par for the course.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

and Zenyatta is going to ship twice, what is your point?

Frankly if I owned the horse she would never race in california but the complete double standard being applied here is not the logical argument.

What do you mean by ship twice? She's going to race twice in the East, or do you mean the one round trip?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

What do you mean by ship twice? She's going to race twice in the East, or do you mean the one round trip?

she raced at oaklawn-1 ship

she will race at churchill - 2nd ship

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

she raced at oaklawn-1 ship

she will race at churchill - 2nd ship

I see.

Well, not really, but I know what you are saying.