Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your being completely hypocritical here, there is no more reason to go east for zenyatta as there is for QR to go west.

Or what, is this another "if you want to be considered great you have to race at belmont or saratoga" ideas that seemed to permeate Azeri's career with the racing fans?

Give me a break. What happened when Azeri came East? She lost because she wasn't facing the AAA horses anymore. And yes if you want to be considered great you have to run in the races in which great horses run. Winning the Clement Hirsh and Vanity over suspect horses isn't the stuff legends are made of.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Give me a break. What happened when Azeri came East? She lost because she wasn't facing the AAA horses anymore. And yes if you want to be considered great you have to run in the races in which great horses run. Winning the Clement Hirsh and Vanity over suspect horses isn't the stuff legends are made of.

your comparing fillies and colts

do you really think the ogden phipps would enhance her reputation against personal ensign? cmon

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

your comparing fillies and colts

do you really think the ogden Phipps would enhance her reputation against personal ensign? cmon

She isn't good enough to run against colts now?

Personal Ensign was a completely different story as she was running with 20 screws in her leg and the very best colts in her era are in a far different league than what we have now. There is no way to accurately compare the two. Now if she were to do something like win the Stephen Foster or Whitney then she would definitely be ranked ahead of Personal Ensign.

And yes winning the Phipps would certainly enhance her reputation.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She isn't good enough to run against colts now?

Personal Ensign was a completely different story as she was running with 20 screws in her leg and the very best colts in her era are in a far different league than what we have now. There is no way to accurately compare the two. Now if she were to do something like win the Stephen Foster or Whitney then she would definitely be ranked ahead of Personal Ensign.

And yes winning the Phipps would certainly enhance her reputation.

I don't think Zenyatta has anything to worry about from Blame or QR at 1 1/4, if all things come together, the sceptics that want her to lose(not you cannonball) will get their wish of Beldame(weight for age)/JCGC and BC Classic. Whether it happens earlier in the yr or later is immaterial to me. I would just love to see her at Belmont and those sweeping turns. Then cap it off where her Daddy ran his best race in his career. One may hate the way Sheriff's has campaigned her in 09, but if she does close it out in this manner, his handling of her has been genious. Don't forget they shipped earlier in the year in hopes of meeting some good eastern competition, it's hardly her fault they were scared to face her.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She isn't good enough to run against colts now?

Personal Ensign was a completely different story as she was running with 20 screws in her leg and the very best colts in her era are in a far different league than what we have now. There is no way to accurately compare the two. Now if she were to do something like win the Stephen Foster or Whitney then she would definitely be ranked ahead of Personal Ensign.

And yes winning the Phipps would certainly enhance her reputation.

we know already, she's peppers pride part two as I have read here many times.

frankly my schedule would have been more aggressive, hardly makes the horse the equal gourmet girl or something of that ilk.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

we know already, she's peppers pride part two as I have read here many times.

frankly my schedule would have been more aggressive, hardly makes the horse the equal gourmet girl or something of that ilk.

No one said that but this isn't a horse of the year type campaign which is a shame because she very well may be the best horse in training. They want her to be horse of the year and on a sidenote beat RA. They aren't really accomplishing either by continuing the cupcake schedule.