Zenyatta assigned 129 pounds for Vanity

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Since when is shipping like some huge handicap?

There is no double standard. Quality Road is running in the better races, period. Running in the Donn, Met Mile, Whitney, Woodward means he is running in the best races both historically and prestigewise. There is no comparison. Hell Zenyatta isn't even running in the best races in Ca. She didn't run in the Big Cap, she isn't going to run in the hollywood Gold Cup, She isnt going to run in the Pacific Classic...and the CA older horse division is terrible.

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

I would have put money on Rachel against a healthy QR last year in the Haskell & Preakness. The Woodward would have been interesting. RA could have possibly worn out QR on the lead like she did all the other horses in the race. actually I think if QR was in the Woodward last year they would have burnt each other out.

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

Make no mistake, if QR faces the RA of last year in the whitney he smokes her as well, he aint no macho again.

If Quality Road and Rachel "All options are open" Alexandra were in last year's Traver's and JCGC, and yes QR was we know that, they both would have finished behind Summer Bird, and yet both would still be regarded higher than Zenyatta on Derbytrail.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just when it appeared you couldn't be any more idiotic.

If there ever were an unreachable bar.

Originally Posted by CSC

If Quality Road and Rachel "All options are open" Alexandra were in last year's Traver's and JCGC, and yes QR was we know that, they both would have finished behind Summer Bird, and yet both would still be regarded higher than Zenyatta on Derbytrail.

I always love this. Rachel dusted Summer Bird at Monmouth, but it's a freakin' certainty to the Zentologists that she would've lost to him had they faced again. And how all of this validates Zenyatta, I still don't understand.

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

quality road is a colt, a filly can never be in the same class as a great colt IMO. They might be able to beat them once in a while but you get a fast colt its silly to compare them.

So you're allowing that QR is better than Zenyatta and will win HOY over her then?

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If there ever were an unreachable bar.



I always love this. Rachel dusted Summer Bird at Monmouth, but it's a freakin' certainty to the Zentologists that she would've lost to him had they faced again. And how all of this validates Zenyatta, I still don't understand.



So you're allowing that QR is better than Zenyatta and will win HOY over her then?

QR is faster no doubt, especially this year. Though it seems like the best bet to beat him would be to have a very fresh horse at 10 furlongs, not exactly many places to make that happen. From that standpoint it makes some sense what they are doing with Z.

I also think its a bit selfish, they want to race her where they live, have already shipped once, and will ship again. I also think there is a lot of pressure from the tracks to support cal racing.

I am not saying its what I would do with the horse, just trying to present both sides of the argument.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I always love this. Rachel dusted Summer Bird at Monmouth, but it's a freakin' certainty to the Zentologists that she would've lost to him had they faced again. And how all of this validates Zenyatta, I still don't understand.

This is always the one absolute Rachelites like to hang their hats on, if you want to continue to hullicinate that Summer Bird ran his best race that day to be life and death to hold off the slightly better than mediocre sprinter Munnings for second then I can't help you. Rachel would have been dusted in the Travers and JCGC if they weren't afraid of the competition past Sept 5. Well judging by this year's actions the connections are still afraid. Par for the course.

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Originally Posted by CSC

This is always the one absolute Rachelites like to hang their hats on, if you want to continue to hullicinate that Summer Bird ran his best race that day to be life and death to hold off the slightly better than mediocre sprinter Munnings for second then I can't help you. Rachel would have been dusted in the Travers and JCGC if they weren't afraid of the competition past Sept 5. Well judging by this year's actions the connections are still afraid. Par for the course.

The hypocrisy of this post is unfathomable. Your heroes won't even take on Rail Trip in their own backyard and Rachel has the chickenshit connections?

No one's hanging their hat on anything, but the point is, in their one meeting, Rachel crushed Summer Bird. Period. What you have is the results of a bunch of imaginary races run in your mind. You still haven't explained how Summer Bird winning or losing against Rachel validates Zenyatta.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No one's hanging their hat on anything, but the point is, in their one meeting, Rachel crushed Summer Bird.

so did zenyatta

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

so did zenyatta

Right, but am I the one saying that in another million different races, Summer Bird would've beaten Zenyatta every time? The Zenyattard above is the one who brought up Summer Bird, not me.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The hypocrisy of this post is unfathomable. Your heroes won't even take on Rail Trip in their own backyard and Rachel has the chickenshit connections?

No one's hanging their hat on anything, but the point is, in their one meeting, Rachel crushed Summer Bird. Period. What you have is the results of a bunch of imaginary races run in your mind. You still haven't explained how Summer Bird winning or losing against Rachel validates Zenyatta.

I don't think I will have to validate anything, Rachel is doing that for herself. All I am saying is you guys put her on a level of one of the best of all time, I don't have to look up posts, but that was the sentiment here last summer. The fact is she is showing that assessment was grossly overstated. For the record I never said she was a mediocre horse, but have stated she was very good on many occasions. Given her performances in the Woodward and 2 races this year, I think I have been correct. But she certainly doesn't belong on the pedestal that some placed her on last year, curiously some of those posters have dissapeared.

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Originally Posted by CSC

I don't think I will have to validate anything, Rachel is doing that for herself. All I am saying is you guys put her on a level of one of the best of all time, I don't have to look up posts, but that was the sentiment here last summer. The fact is she is showing that assessment was grossly overstated. For the record I never said she was a mediocre horse, but have stated she was very good on many occasions. Given her performances in the Woodward and 2 races this year, I think I have been correct. But she certainly doesn't belong on the pedestal that some placed her on last year, curiously some of those posters have dissapeared.

She had a remarkable year, and a far more impressive one than Zenyatta did. Nothing that happens this year changes that. I don't understand why you seem to think that Rachel's two narrow missteps this year invalidate what happened last season. You're either disingenuous or not very smart if that's your contention.

Her Woodward was outstanding, and anybody who watches racing at Saratoga will attest to that. Stop, for a second, worrying about what was behind her, and instead realize the kind of pace she was forced through before having to hold off a perfect-trip older male who was clearly better in '09 than he is this year.