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[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

beat beat? I don't know what your asking.

I have no idea how you can say definitely that Personal Ensign is a better race horse looking at the two records on paper. I agree Personal Ensign has beaten pretty good horses but Zenyatta has beaten a few as well.

Where did you stand on the Easy Goer/Sunday Silence question?

lol...sorry i meant beat better. i think you know what i was asking though. i asked it in my first post. i dont think its even really comparable who beat better. of course zenyatta has a chance to beat better. but racing in california isnt doing anything for her rep.

i thought sunday silence was better.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

lol...sorry i meant beat better. i think you know what i was asking though. i asked it in my first post. i dont think its even really comparable who beat better. of course zenyatta has a chance to beat better. but racing in california isnt doing anything for her rep.

i thought sunday silence was better.

Yea, we all know those Cali horse suck, the next time one of them ships across the Miss. and wins it will be the first time.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Yea, we all know those Cali horse suck, the next time one of them ships across the Miss. and wins it will be the first time.

so you think shes been beating good horses in her california races? that is what i meant. beating those horses again doesnt help her rep.

do you think personal ensign beat better horses in her career than zenyatta has?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

so you think shes been beating good horses in her california races? that is what i meant. beating those horses again doesnt help her rep.

do you think personal ensign beat better horses in her career than zenyatta has?

Yes the nod goes to PE on horses to date, but its not this glowing margin that you make it sound like, there have been some quality horses in the past two breeders cups, and she beat a champion horse at Oaklawn.

Life is Sweet aint a crap horse either, she dusted her like a rented mule.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Yes the nod goes to PE on horses to date, but its not this glowing margin that you make it sound like, there have been some quality horses in the past two breeders cups, and she beat a champion horse at Oaklawn.

Life is Sweet aint a crap horse either, she dusted her like a rented mule.

i dont think its even close. life is sweet is good on one surface, santa anita's pro ride. ginger punch? come on. she was a champion, but how would she have fared against the likes of winning colors or goodbye halo?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Yes the nod goes to PE on horses to date, but its not this glowing margin that you make it sound like, there have been some quality horses in the past two breeders cups, and she beat a champion horse at Oaklawn.

Life is Sweet aint a crap horse either, she dusted her like a rented mule.

She beat one of the most over rated champions in history. Kinda like Favorite Trick winning HOY as a 2yo. She was that kind of champion. Not that its Zenyatta's fault that Ginger Punch was incredibly slow. Zenyatta would have beat GP in 100 out of 100 races.

I know I sound like a Z hater, I'm not, though I do hate the surface she runs on. Just prove her worth by at least running her against males out there. Its just boring.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Yes the nod goes to PE on horses to date, but its not this glowing margin that you make it sound like, there have been some quality horses in the past two breeders cups, and she beat a champion horse at Oaklawn.

Life is Sweet aint a crap horse either, she dusted her like a rented mule.

Give me a break. Even if you like Ginger Punch, it's pretty clear she wasn't herself that day. Unless you think Brownie Points was better than she was, in which case, GP wasn't much of a champion.