How many top-flight deep closers …

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I was and am a huge Cigar fan. I'm looking at a signed picture of him winning the '95 Woodward over my desk.
--Dunbar

Did Cigar have good penmenship?

[knickslions2]

Say what you all want no one has beaten Zenyata. Not many horses can say that. She did beat the Derby winner, Belmont winner and many other grade 1 winners. Give the horse some respect.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Say what you all want no one has beaten Zenyata. Not many horses can say that. He did beat the Derby winner, Belmont winner and many other grade 1 winners. Give the horse some respect.

And, apparently, she had a sex change.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And, apparently, she had a sex change.

OOPs must of had chaz bono on my mind.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Say what you all want no one has beaten Zenyata. Not many horses can say that. She did beat the Derby winner, Belmont winner and many other grade 1 winners. Give the horse some respect.

she's a really good horse, but she shouldnt be mentioned in the same post as Personal Ensign yet.. let alone Citation.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

she's a really good horse, but she shouldnt be mentioned in the same post as Personal Ensign yet.. let alone Citation.

Seriously...cmon

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Seriously...cmon

who beat better horses, personal ensign or zenyatta?

[CSC]

At this stage, I put the win streak nice as it is, a distant 3rd in what I want Zenyatta to accomplish in 2010. My wish list would be:

1. For her to win the BC Classic
2. To drown Rachel in a race where her fitness level is at 101%

If this could be accomplished all at CD in the Classic, all the better.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

who beat better horses, personal ensign or zenyatta?

who is a better race horse? Who they beat is not the only component.

Zenyatta has beat a few champions in her career as well.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

who is a better race horse? Who they beat is not the only component.

Zenyatta has beat a few champions in her career as well.

personal ensign is the better horse imo. who they beat is not the only component. but shouldnt it be a component?

personal ensign beat better right?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

who is a better race horse? Who they beat is not the only component.

Zenyatta has beat a few champions in her career as well.

Who is a better race horse?

Personal Ensign

[AlreadyHome]

Z is in a class of her own you can't compare her to any1
she the best thing to hit the 21century in HR.
come on, shes Flawless, is not her fault shes beautiful an great an has no competition, she's sent from heaven so enjoy the blessing oF the ULTIMATE ZENYATTA

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by AlreadyHome

Z is in a class of her own you can't compare her to any1
she the best thing to hit the 21century in HR.
come on, shes Flawless, is not her fault shes beautiful an great an has no competition, she's sent from heaven so enjoy the blessing oF the ULTIMATE ZENYATTA

Oh my God.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Oh my God.

You're not as familiar with Charlee as some of us are....just ask Clyde.

[blackthroatedwind]

Sorry, but I don't think it's unfair to compare Zenyatta favorably to Personal Ensign. Who the hell knows for sure who was better....but we do know they are both damn good.

The whole Zenyatta thing has gotten distorted for a number of reasons. One, nitwits on the internet ( and this is a big one ). They have annoyed many rational people so much that the sane folk become insane. Two, and this is related, the insistance ( often by the same nitwits ) that she was robbed of HOY despite the obvious has further frustrated sane people ( believe it or not, many sane people who believe Zenyatta is better than Rachel also believe the clear and correct choice was made last year ). Three, her tepid campaign this year, on the heels of last year, has further frustrated many. But this shouldn't mean people should fail to recognize her enormous talent, and further diminish her.

[AlreadyHome]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Oh my God.

he's my God 2, but all the so call great Horses duck The Almighty Z
here is looking @ U



the rock says just bring it ......

[Smooth Operator]

Get down on your knees right now, AlreadyHome, and thank your maker that you're alive to watch this great racemare try to break the consecutive win record. lol


What’s "puzzling" to me is how anyone can knock Z's 2010 campaign at this point.

They held up their end of the bargain and showed up for the big race at Oaklawn.

Now she has a chance to break a record that has stood for what, 60 years … so why not let her try to do it in a G1 at her home base?

Makes sense to me


By the way, as many of her critics seem to think, a win in the Vanity is not a foregone conclusion. This Trinians beast looked very good at Anita earlier in the year and will be a formidable opponent given the big weight break that she'll receive.

Z (and Smith) will have to bring their A game...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AlreadyHome

Z is in a class of her own you can't compare her to any1
she the best thing to hit the 21century in HR.
come on, shes Flawless, is not her fault shes beautiful an great an has no competition, she's sent from heaven so enjoy the blessing oF the ULTIMATE ZENYATTA

lmao

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

Did Cigar have good penmenship?

lol--the signatures are by Paulson, Mott and Bailey. Not even a hoof-print from the big guy himself!




--Dunbar

[blackthroatedwind]

One major reason Personal Ensign may not have been considered for the Classic was that Phipps had a two horse entry of Seeking the Gold, who finished second, and Personal Flag in the race.

Not saying otherwise she would have run but I'm into full disclosure.