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Old 06-02-2010, 03:04 PM
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Holy Bull broke down, but who exactly was great that Cigar beat?
a better question might be who beat better horses. the answer is obvious.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:18 PM
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a better question might be who beat better horses. the answer is obvious.
in general most horses of 2010 suck in comparison to 1993-94, at least in the male division where they are carted off after 6 starts.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:19 PM
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in general most horses of 2010 suck in comparison to 1993-94, at least in the male division where they are carted off after 6 starts.
so cigar beat better?
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:20 PM
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so cigar beat better?
of course
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:36 PM
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Not sure would categorize Cigar as a deep closer. Not getting into the greatness part just talking running style.
Cigar was a presser/stalker, I cant remember him too far back in any of his races.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:53 PM
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Not sure would categorize Cigar as a deep closer. Not getting into the greatness part just talking running style.
Good point. True Deep closers are very rare in dirt racing so there are very few top flight horses to compare her to. Victory Gallop comes to mind as a horse who fired nearly every time.

Zenyatta's first Apple Blossom win was very impressive but she hasn't faced top horses on dirt frequently enough to really make a fair comparison to any dirt closer. Synthetic tracks have probably given her an edge but her durability and trainer's conditioning shouldn't be taken for granted in a remarkable career.
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Old 06-02-2010, 04:57 PM
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Cigar's best career race was his last one. Parked wide the entire away on a golden rail, and his class puts him in the mix right at mid-stretch. No, he wasn't trying to pass Citation, but to be so wide, after a year and a career like that, and to still have a shot down the stretch is pretty cool.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:19 PM
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a better question might be who beat better horses. the answer is obvious.
and Cigar was a really nice horse, great horse..........he could not warm up the likes if Citation, Spectacular Bid.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:20 PM
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and Cigar was a really nice horse, great horse..........he could not warm up the likes if Citation, Spectacular Bid.
i agree. neither could zenyatta. or rachel alexandra.
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:37 PM
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and Cigar was a really nice horse, great horse..........he could not warm up the likes if Citation, Spectacular Bid.
Apparently he didn't warm up Holy Bull, who pulled up when trying to go head and head with him.
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Old 06-02-2010, 09:58 PM
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Apparently he didn't warm up Holy Bull, who pulled up when trying to go head and head with him.
It just never gets old. How sad.
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:34 PM
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It just never gets old. How sad.

Look at the early pace in the race.. 23.72, 46.48...way too fast for Holy Bull, once he realized how good Cigar was, he broke down out of sheer fright.

1995 Donn + Post Race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsUUesICLMg
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:42 PM
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Look at the early pace in the race.. 23.72, 46.48...way too fast for Holy Bull, once he realized how good Cigar was, he broke down out of sheer fright.

1995 Donn + Post Race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsUUesICLMg
You say that but I once knew this poster who argued that very thing....his name was ma........i
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Old 06-02-2010, 10:57 PM
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You say that but I once knew this poster who argued that very thing....his name was ma........i
Canada's biggest Cigar fan has been MIA for a while..
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