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[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That is a huge lie.

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).

War of Will was so empty late in this race.

Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

[moses]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).


Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).


Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

Making excuses for horses that fade in the stretch of the Kentucky Derby is Fool's Gold. He couldn't get 10f. Period. He was right there, and faded because he isn't able to get 10f, and the winner can. Go kiss on Casse.

[moses]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Making excuses for horses that fade in the stretch of the Kentucky Derby is Fool's Gold. He couldn't get 10f. Period. He was right there, and faded because he isn't able to get 10f, and the winner can. Go kiss on Casse.

You may be right. We’ll never know for certain because another horse impeded War of Will and was eventually disqualified. Though I see WOW is potentially going to run in the Preakness so we’ll see how he does.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Here is what Baffert had to say about the decision to disqualify Maximum Security:

While many horsemen have come out in support of the controversial stewards' ruling in Saturday's Kentucky Derby, five-time Derby winner Bob Baffert isn't one of them.

“No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert said by text. “It's always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you've got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...derby-outcome/

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is what Baffert had to say about the decision to disqualify Maximum Security:

While many horsemen have come out in support of the controversial stewards' ruling in Saturday's Kentucky Derby, five-time Derby winner Bob Baffert isn't one of them.

“No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert said by text. “It's always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you've got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...derby-outcome/

That is why I like B.B.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is what Baffert had to say about the decision to disqualify Maximum Security:

While many horsemen have come out in support of the controversial stewards' ruling in Saturday's Kentucky Derby, five-time Derby winner Bob Baffert isn't one of them.

“No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert said by text. “It's always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you've got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...derby-outcome/

Crazy, it's almost like he also trains for the Wests and has a business incentive to publicly be on their side.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Crazy, it's almost like he also trains for the Wests and has a business incentive to publicly be on their side.

He's usually a pretty straight shooter when it comes to giving his opinion. I highly doubt he'd be saying the opposite if the horse was owned by someone else.

Hypothetically if he really thought this was a good call, he may temper his comments because of his relationship with the Wests. He may say it was a close call or something like that. But I don't think he would say he disagreed with the call if he thought it was a good call. That's just not him. Not to mention that he has something to lose by criticizing the stewards. He runs plenty of horses in Kentucky. The most important race to him is the Derby. I highly doubt he's going to go out of his way to disagree with the stewards' call publicly just to kiss up to Gary West. In fact, I would say there is zero percent chance of him doing that. Baffert does not kiss up to owners. He could have kept Kaleem Shah (who was one of his best owners) if he would have kissed up to him. But that's not Baffert. That's not his personality.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He's usually a pretty straight shooter when it comes to giving his opinion. I highly doubt he'd be saying the opposite if the horse was owned by someone else.

Hypothetically if he really thought this was a good call, he may temper his comments because of his relationship with the Wests. He may say it was a close call or something like that. But I don't think he would say he disagreed with the call if he thought it was a good call. That's just not him. Not to mention that he has something to lose by criticizing the stewards. He runs plenty of horses in Kentucky. The most important race to him is the Derby. I highly doubt he's going to go out of his way to disagree with the stewards' call publicly just to kiss up to Gary West. In fact, I would say there is zero percent chance of him doing that. Baffert does not kiss up to owners. He could have kept Kaleem Shah (who was one of his best owners) if he would have kissed up to him. But that's not Baffert. That's not his personality.

Verbose conjecture, as always.

And who cares, anyway? He's not even disagreeing with the call, he's saying they shouldn't have even looked at it. What kind of argument is "there should never be an objection in the Derby"?

[fantini33]

Originally Posted by moses

You may be right. We’ll never know for certain because another horse impeded War of Will and was eventually disqualified. Though I see WOW is potentially going to run in the Preakness so we’ll see how he does.

Sorry for my repeat analysis...Oh, and I have lost plenty of bets because horses that couldn't get a distance......did!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Making excuses for horses that fade in the stretch of the Kentucky Derby is Fool's Gold. He couldn't get 10f. Period. He was right there, and faded because he isn't able to get 10f, and the winner can. Go kiss on Casse.

Actually:

Hansel (1991)
Pine Bluff (1992)
Tabasco Cat (1994)
Louis Quatorze (1996)
Point Given (2001)
Afleet Alex (2005)
Curlin (2007)
Lookin At Lucky (2010)
Shackleford (2011)
Oxbow (2013)

All lost ground in the stretch in their respective Kentucky Derbies yet came back to win the Preakness.

Go Servis yourself.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actually:

Hansel (1991)
Pine Bluff (1992)
Tabasco Cat (1994)
Louis Quatorze (1996)
Point Given (2001)
Afleet Alex (2005)
Curlin (2007)
Lookin At Lucky (2010)
Shackleford (2011)
Oxbow (2013)

All lost ground in the stretch in their respective Kentucky Derbies yet came back to win the Preakness.















Go Servis yourself.

Show off

[moses]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Actually:

Hansel (1991)
Pine Bluff (1992)
Tabasco Cat (1994)
Louis Quatorze (1996)
Point Given (2001)
Afleet Alex (2005)
Curlin (2007)
Lookin At Lucky (2010)
Shackleford (2011)
Oxbow (2013)

All lost ground in the stretch in their respective Kentucky Derbies yet came back to win the Preakness.

Go Servis yourself.

A few of them won the Belmont as well.