Done till Spa. F horse racing

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not sure if the Gaffilione quote is out of context. " War of Will was still contending for the win in deep stretch?"

That is a huge lie. War of Will was so empty late in this race. If he'd of fouled horses that could run 10f, and were contending late in this race, then, it would make some sense. No, they dq'd him for fouling horses who couldn't run 10f on this day.

And, to Mark Casse, you were not gunna do much more than 8th place. You were out of horse. The best horse was dq'd because he possibly kept you from getting 6th, or 7th place.



Happy?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

And to these people who claim this dq is necessary to protect the horses and riders...


What????????????????????


You were just fine with them running about 20 horses on rubbery Jello (with standing water on it.) So, paalease.

[Bruinguybry]

Yeah that **** is cracking me up serling,aragona,bailey etc etc etc are all towomg the company line with that ****, but like you said they were all ok with horses beimg ran on a death strip for over a month. The only person on tv today that said anything worthwhile was rich migilore he said basically there's no rules in the derby and thats how he rode for the five he was in. They didnt want that trainer winning end of story

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Yeah that **** is cracking me up serling,aragona,bailey etc etc etc are all towomg the company line with that ****, but like you said they were all ok with horses beimg ran on a death strip for over a month. The only person on tv today that said anything worthwhile was rich migilore he said basically there's no rules in the derby and thats how he rode for the five he was in. They didnt want that trainer winning end of story

It keeps getting better. There’s no rules in the Derby and NY analysts were okay with what was going on at Santa Anita. That’s very pertinent to this discussion.

For someone who claims to be a gambler you’re not really acting like one.

[Bruinguybry]

I think its political and new people to the game will think the same (therefore they won't bet their $ on this game) and i do gamble I've been following this site for a few years and rarely ever post this turn of events have swayed me in the direction of this game is rigged etc etc sorry no-one wants to hear that **** that the horse came out blah blah blah if it waa so bad why didn't gafflione file claim? And now casse says well it wouldnt of helped our placing blah blah. If this game is about integrity and adhering to the rules why hasnt anything remotely close to tbis out happened prior? Why was bayern left up? You cant convince me or a good swath of bettors otherwise they didnt want servis winning it. As soon as mott opened his mouth i knew MS was coming down

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

I think its political and new people to the game will think the same (therefore they won't bet their $ on this game) and i do gamble I've been following this site for a few years and rarely ever post this turn of events have swayed me in the direction of this game is rigged etc etc sorry no-one wants to hear that **** that the horse came out blah blah blah if it waa so bad why didn't gafflione file claim? And now casse says well it wouldnt of helped our placing blah blah. If this game is about integrity and adhering to the rules why hasnt anything remotely close to tbis out happened prior? Why was bayern left up? You cant convince me or a good swath of bettors otherwise they didnt want servis winning it. As soon as mott opened his mouth i knew MS was coming down

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion. I asked you earlier why Kentucky stewards would not want Servis winning. We both know what your response was.

Horseplayers have to deal with DQ’s. They suck and it’s unfair but they happen. I’m sorry you lost. You picked the right horse. But that horse fouled a few and cost them a placing. At some point you’ll probably get put up when you shouldn’t. It happens.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion. I asked you earlier why Kentucky stewards would not want Servis winning. We both know what your response was.

Horseplayers have to deal with DQ’s. They suck and it’s unfair but they happen. I’m sorry you lost. You picked the right horse. But that horse fouled a few and cost them a placing. At some point you’ll probably get put up when you shouldn’t. It happens.

If you want to see someone acting like a novice, go watch the video of Serling tossing out Max because he got a soft pace in the Florida Derby. That's novice 101 (assuming a horse will stop just because he got a soft pace , one time.) He had shown that he could handle pace, and draw away. Just like he did yesterday. These people were just too lazy to watch his previous 3 races.

[Bruinguybry]

Its happened both ways for me im not a novice player. I really enjoyed horseracing this just felt very political to me with bill mott sittng there dictating the outcome and those stewards staring at the screen watching him chirping about it. I knew the horse was coming down when they showed him. It pisses me off all these industry people acting like horseracing is on some petestal and they had to do the right thing to honor this game. My point is a game that's trying to get new fans (which they'll never get lets be honest) is acting as if this was the biggest foul in history. As they send horses over the santa anita strip to their death. but a horse comimg out a few paths on a complete **** surface was going to take half the field out that's what their implying. Again if it was that egrigous why didnt gafflione call foul? Btw he looked like he was riding right up MS ass

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion. I asked you earlier why Kentucky stewards would not want Servis winning. We both know what your response was.

Horseplayers have to deal with DQ’s. They suck and it’s unfair but they happen. I’m sorry you lost. You picked the right horse. But that horse fouled a few and cost them a placing. At some point you’ll probably get put up when you shouldn’t. It happens.

Yesterday's results of the Kentucky Derby had no impact on my wallet. I played a trifecta box with Max Security, Tacitus, Game Winner, and Plus Que Parfait. Had Plus Que Parfait under those 3 in exactas. Plus Que Parfait ran well in the slop last fall at Churchill. He ran well in the slop yesterday, but couldn't get 10f. Same as War of Will.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That is a huge lie. War of Will was so empty late in this race. If he'd of fouled horses that could run 10f, and were contending late in this race, then, it would make some sense. No, they dq'd him for fouling horses who couldn't run 10f on this day.

And, to Mark Casse, you were not gunna do much more than 8th place. You were out of horse. The best horse was dq'd because he possibly kept you from getting 6th, or 7th place.



Happy?

You keep getting it all wrong. Casse didn’t claim foul. But he should have. There was an inquiry and the connections of Country House and Long Range Toddy claimed foul.

Are you really going to pretend Maximum Security didn’t impede War of Will, which led to Long Range Toddy having to sharply take up? Did you not see Maximum Security come out 3-4 paths?

I’m kind of surprised people that have watched thousands of races keep acting like novices. This was an easy call.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You keep getting it all wrong. Casse didn’t claim foul. But he should have. There was an inquiry and the connections of Country House and Long Range Toddy claimed foul.

Are you really going to pretend Maximum Security didn’t impede War of Will, which led to Long Range Toddy having to sharply take up? Did you not see Maximum Security come out 3-4 paths?

I’m kind of surprised people that have watched thousands of races keep acting like novices. This was an easy call.

1st off, if yall want perfection, don't run about 20 horses on rubbery jello. If people are concerned about the safety of the horses and jockeys, then, that's where to start. I brought up Casse because he was being interviewed on TVG. This is a trainer who put a horse on the track that couldn't run 10f. That's why he finished 8th. He had every chance to win this at the top of the stretch. He just had no finish. Most don't. They took this winner down for fouling horses who didn't have the gas to compete for the win. If he fouled horses who had a chance to win, I'd agree with you. They had zero chance to win, because they couldn't get 10f. That's what stewards do all the time (ignore fouls against "dead" horses.) Yall complained that you didn't like Giacamo winning. Well, look who you now have as a Kentucky Derby Winner............Enjoy.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

1st off, if yall want perfection, don't run about 20 horses on rubbery jello. If people are concerned about the safety of the horses and jockeys, then, that's where to start. I brought up Casse because he was being interviewed on TVG. This is a trainer who put a horse on the track that couldn't run 10f. That's why he finished 8th. He had every chance to win this at the top of the stretch. He just had no finish. Most don't. They took this winner down for fouling horses who didn't have the gas to compete for the win. If he fouled horses who had a chance to win, I'd agree with you. They had zero chance to win, because they couldn't get 10f. That's what stewards do all the time (ignore fouls against "dead" horses.) Yall complained that you didn't like Giacamo winning. Well, look who you now have as a Kentucky Derby Winner............Enjoy.

I bet Giacomo and had a future bet on him. But I complained about him winning?

Ummm okay.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That is a huge lie.

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).

War of Will was so empty late in this race.

Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

[moses]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).


Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).


Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

Making excuses for horses that fade in the stretch of the Kentucky Derby is Fool's Gold. He couldn't get 10f. Period. He was right there, and faded because he isn't able to get 10f, and the winner can. Go kiss on Casse.

[moses]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Making excuses for horses that fade in the stretch of the Kentucky Derby is Fool's Gold. He couldn't get 10f. Period. He was right there, and faded because he isn't able to get 10f, and the winner can. Go kiss on Casse.

You may be right. We’ll never know for certain because another horse impeded War of Will and was eventually disqualified. Though I see WOW is potentially going to run in the Preakness so we’ll see how he does.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Here is what Baffert had to say about the decision to disqualify Maximum Security:

While many horsemen have come out in support of the controversial stewards' ruling in Saturday's Kentucky Derby, five-time Derby winner Bob Baffert isn't one of them.

“No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert said by text. “It's always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you've got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...derby-outcome/

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is what Baffert had to say about the decision to disqualify Maximum Security:

While many horsemen have come out in support of the controversial stewards' ruling in Saturday's Kentucky Derby, five-time Derby winner Bob Baffert isn't one of them.

“No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert said by text. “It's always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you've got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...derby-outcome/

That is why I like B.B.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is what Baffert had to say about the decision to disqualify Maximum Security:

While many horsemen have come out in support of the controversial stewards' ruling in Saturday's Kentucky Derby, five-time Derby winner Bob Baffert isn't one of them.

“No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert said by text. “It's always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you've got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...derby-outcome/

Crazy, it's almost like he also trains for the Wests and has a business incentive to publicly be on their side.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Crazy, it's almost like he also trains for the Wests and has a business incentive to publicly be on their side.

He's usually a pretty straight shooter when it comes to giving his opinion. I highly doubt he'd be saying the opposite if the horse was owned by someone else.

Hypothetically if he really thought this was a good call, he may temper his comments because of his relationship with the Wests. He may say it was a close call or something like that. But I don't think he would say he disagreed with the call if he thought it was a good call. That's just not him. Not to mention that he has something to lose by criticizing the stewards. He runs plenty of horses in Kentucky. The most important race to him is the Derby. I highly doubt he's going to go out of his way to disagree with the stewards' call publicly just to kiss up to Gary West. In fact, I would say there is zero percent chance of him doing that. Baffert does not kiss up to owners. He could have kept Kaleem Shah (who was one of his best owners) if he would have kissed up to him. But that's not Baffert. That's not his personality.