Done till Spa. F horse racing

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

I think its political and new people to the game will think the same (therefore they won't bet their $ on this game) and i do gamble I've been following this site for a few years and rarely ever post this turn of events have swayed me in the direction of this game is rigged etc etc sorry no-one wants to hear that **** that the horse came out blah blah blah if it waa so bad why didn't gafflione file claim? And now casse says well it wouldnt of helped our placing blah blah. If this game is about integrity and adhering to the rules why hasnt anything remotely close to tbis out happened prior? Why was bayern left up? You cant convince me or a good swath of bettors otherwise they didnt want servis winning it. As soon as mott opened his mouth i knew MS was coming down

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion. I asked you earlier why Kentucky stewards would not want Servis winning. We both know what your response was.

Horseplayers have to deal with DQ’s. They suck and it’s unfair but they happen. I’m sorry you lost. You picked the right horse. But that horse fouled a few and cost them a placing. At some point you’ll probably get put up when you shouldn’t. It happens.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion. I asked you earlier why Kentucky stewards would not want Servis winning. We both know what your response was.

Horseplayers have to deal with DQ’s. They suck and it’s unfair but they happen. I’m sorry you lost. You picked the right horse. But that horse fouled a few and cost them a placing. At some point you’ll probably get put up when you shouldn’t. It happens.

If you want to see someone acting like a novice, go watch the video of Serling tossing out Max because he got a soft pace in the Florida Derby. That's novice 101 (assuming a horse will stop just because he got a soft pace , one time.) He had shown that he could handle pace, and draw away. Just like he did yesterday. These people were just too lazy to watch his previous 3 races.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If you want to see someone acting like a novice, go watch the video of Serling tossing out Max because he got a soft pace in the Florida Derby. That's novice 101 (assuming a horse will stop just because he got a soft pace , one time.) He had shown that he could handle pace, and draw away. Just like he did yesterday. These people were just too lazy to watch his previous 3 races.

Where are your pre race opinions posted?

[Plenilune]

Last night in the heat of the moment I was so upset with the outcome. Today, after reading so much and viewing videos and photos, I can't help but agree with the DQ. I don't believe there was anything "political" about it, that's just silly.

A different video angle of the “incident”, pretty shocking to watch:

https://twitter.com/CarsoniPH/status...28240144457730

A still shot of WoW going SIDEWAYS:

https://twitter.com/GStevens_jockey/...67652035174402

Wondered why Tyler did not lodge an objection, here are his comments:

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...8-vfWE.twitter

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Where are your pre race opinions posted?

Under Serling's video (on youtube.)

This all you got?

Just distracting.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Under Serling's video (on youtube.)

This all you got?

Just distracting.

You’re the one fixated on Serling who to my knowledge hasn’t even posted in the thread.

Serling, Giacomo and a bunch of other nonsense all to mask your bad opinions.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You’re the one fixated on Serling who to my knowledge hasn’t even posted in the thread.

Serling, Giacomo and a bunch of other nonsense all to mask your bad opinions.

Well, you and myself were like 2 of the 5 people on here that liked Giacomo. The rest made it seem like scum that stole candy from 7-11. Most on here complain about having Giacomo on the list of Kentucky Derby Winners. Now, they got a horse on the list that was the 1st loser in a Kentucky Derby.

Look. You got your way. This pig got moved up. You won. Be happy. Not everyone is gunna agree with you. Not everyone likes it when the best horse is put almost last. Sort of makes the money, time, and effort put into it a bit of a waste (even if the result didn't impact their wallet, personally.) It's a lack of respect for the effort put in by handicappers, and everything put in by the connections of the winner.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, you and myself were like 2 of the 5 people on here that liked Giacomo. The rest made it seem like scum that stole candy from 7-11. Most on here complain about having Giacomo on the list of Kentucky Derby Winners. Now, they got a horse on the list that was the 1st loser in a Kentucky Derby.

Look. You got your way. This pig got moved up. You won. Be happy. Not everyone is gunna agree with you. Not everyone likes it when the best horse is put almost last. Sort of makes the money, time, and effort put into it a bit of a waste (even if the result didn't impact their wallet, personally.) It's a lack of respect for the effort put in by handicappers, and everything put in by the connections of the winner.

Dude....I didn’t get my way at all. I was live to the 1,5,13 and 16 for a score. Even though I needed War of Will and everyone agrees he was impacted I don’t think he was winning. I didn’t win.

But the hysterics over a pretty clear cut DQ are ridiculous. I feel bad for anyone that was taken down and I hate being DQd. But I understand it’s part of the activity I choose to engage in. Suck it up or choose to not bet anymore but it was the right call.

[Bruinguybry]

Its happened both ways for me im not a novice player. I really enjoyed horseracing this just felt very political to me with bill mott sittng there dictating the outcome and those stewards staring at the screen watching him chirping about it. I knew the horse was coming down when they showed him. It pisses me off all these industry people acting like horseracing is on some petestal and they had to do the right thing to honor this game. My point is a game that's trying to get new fans (which they'll never get lets be honest) is acting as if this was the biggest foul in history. As they send horses over the santa anita strip to their death. but a horse comimg out a few paths on a complete **** surface was going to take half the field out that's what their implying. Again if it was that egrigous why didnt gafflione call foul? Btw he looked like he was riding right up MS ass

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Its happened both ways for me im not a novice player. I really enjoyed horseracing this just felt very political to me with bill mott sittng there dictating the outcome and those stewards staring at the screen watching him chirping about it. I knew the horse was coming down when they showed him. It pisses me off all these industry people acting like horseracing is on some petestal and they had to do the right thing to honor this game. My point is a game that's trying to get new fans (which they'll never get lets be honest) is acting as if this was the biggest foul in history. As they send horses over the santa anita strip to their death. but a horse comimg out a few paths on a complete **** surface was going to take half the field out that's what their implying. Again if it was that egrigous why didnt gafflione call foul? Btw he looked like he was riding right up MS ass

If it’s political could you explain why Kentucky stewards don’t like Jason Servis?

[Bruinguybry]

Dont know dont care. Im sure there a little skeptical of his 35-40% win rates that might of had some implications on their decision. Again, to the novice betting public this will be what is said and thought for years to come. I personally beleive there were some politics involved and will always believe if that was baffert the horse stays up. You cant convince me and huge chunk of people otherwise

[moses]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Dont know dont care. Im sure there a little skeptical of his 35-40% win rates that might of had some implications on their decision. Again, to the novice betting public this will be what is said and thought for years to come. I personally beleive there were some politics involved and will always believe if that was baffert the horse stays up. You cant convince me and huge chunk of people otherwise

I think you’re right that if Baffert trained Maximum Security that he probably would have legitimately won.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Dont know dont care. Im sure there a little skeptical of his 35-40% win rates that might of had some implications on their decision. Again, to the novice betting public this will be what is said and thought for years to come. I personally beleive there were some politics involved and will always believe if that was baffert the horse stays up. You cant convince me and huge chunk of people otherwise

So the Kentucky stewards are skeptical of Servis’s numbers? How many horses does he run in Kentucky per year? 10 maybe? That’s why they DQd him?

[Bruinguybry]

Again you're not understanding me, i dont know, but I DO know how i feel, and i feel like that decision had more to do with than strictly that foul. That's how i and a the majority of people who had or were alive to MS feel.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Again you're not understanding me, i dont know, but I DO know how i feel, and i feel like that decision had more to do with than strictly that foul. That's how i and a the majority of people who had or were alive to MS feel.

Regardless of who won, I think they should only take the winner of the Kentucky Derby down if he fouled someone that they think would of won (had the foul not taken place.)

Let them do their pc teaching in other races on a safe track with 5-12 horses.

Not with about 20 horses on rubbery jello (with standing water. )

Then, taking down the best horse in the race for fouling horses that could only run 9f. Now you want safety? 20 horses on rubbery jello isn't safety. So, the hypocrisy is rich.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Again you're not understanding me, i dont know, but I DO know how i feel, and i feel like that decision had more to do with than strictly that foul. That's how i and a the majority of people who had or were alive to MS feel.

Most of the people on here backing this dq are people who threw Max out, because they thought he'd quit (if he had to run hard up front. ) So, they want this bail out to feel better. That is what's going on, and it's a lot of people.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Bruinguybry

Again you're not understanding me, i dont know, but I DO know how i feel, and i feel like that decision had more to do with than strictly that foul. That's how i and a the majority of people who had or were alive to MS feel.

You speak for the majority of people who were impacted by the DQ?

[blackthroatedwind]

This thread is on FIRE!

One idiot has me "towing the company line" for companies I don't even work for, and DT's biggest idiot returns from, apparently, cruising youtube to remind us of his horrible opinions. Plus, we have a Bayern comparison...you know, a horse who over five years wasn't disqualified over a gate foul, which are never adjudicated.

Every disqualification isn't the end of the world. Frankly, everyone who has played this game even remotely seriously for over a decade has suffered through a FAR worse call ( and also probably benefitted from one as well ). It's a great discussion but the histrionics are beyond over the top.

It's a great game. It's also an imperfect one. The bubble inside the bubble all too often lacks perspective.

[cakes44]

I never cruise YouTube.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Can anyone determine how many paths Bayern crossed out of the gate and how many horses he impeded on the way to his Classic victory? Seems like a good. comparison, no?

Also, throughout all of this I haven't seen anywhere where Johnny V explained why he didn't claim foul. I would have to assume someone asked him with all of the top notch press we have out there. Anyone find anything?