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Old 05-05-2019, 07:38 PM
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Mark Casse didn’t claim foul.
Why claim foul when your horse came 8th (due to being out of gas?)

Look this is the issue. The horse fouled horses who couldn't get 10f.

If they'd of been close to the winner at the wire, then, o.k.

Putting the winner almost last for fouling 2 horses that didn't have the gas to get 10f .

That's the issue. It's not safety. If you're running almost 20 horses on rubbery jello with standing water, then, claiming safety is pretty rich.
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Old 05-05-2019, 07:55 PM
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The point of the Bayern comparison is simply that the rules are applied subjectively. And clearly the horse racing world is okay with that. BTW says it himself that gate infractions are rarely if ever adjudicated. But why exactly is that "okay"? If Bayern wipes out 3 horses by drifting in out of the gate and Max wipes out 3 horses by drifting out with a quarter mile left to run in the Kentucky Derby, why couldn't the stews subjectively decide to leave him up in this instance in determining that the 20 couldnt win if they went around again and the 1 was partially responsible for climbing up on the 7 and bulling his way through before the 7 drifted out anyhow? My greatest surprise is simply how strongly those that feel he should have come down are expressing their thoughts while not acknowledging there do remain unanswered questions.
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:01 PM
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OK. Time out for 78 minutes. GOT is starting.
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:13 PM
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The point of the Bayern comparison is simply that the rules are applied subjectively. And clearly the horse racing world is okay with that. BTW says it himself that gate infractions are rarely if ever adjudicated. But why exactly is that "okay"? If Bayern wipes out 3 horses by drifting in out of the gate and Max wipes out 3 horses by drifting out with a quarter mile left to run in the Kentucky Derby, why couldn't the stews subjectively decide to leave him up in this instance in determining that the 20 couldnt win if they went around again and the 1 was partially responsible for climbing up on the 7 and bulling his way through before the 7 drifted out anyhow? My greatest surprise is simply how strongly those that feel he should have come down are expressing their thoughts while not acknowledging there do remain unanswered questions.
"My greatest surprise is simply how strongly those that feel he should have come down are expressing their thoughts "

Because most tossed a horse out that many people had, and misery loves company (a lot.)
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:02 PM
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Why claim foul when your horse came 8th (due to being out of gas?)

Look this is the issue. The horse fouled horses who couldn't get 10f.

If they'd of been close to the winner at the wire, then, o.k.

Putting the winner almost last for fouling 2 horses that didn't have the gas to get 10f .

That's the issue. It's not safety. If you're running almost 20 horses on rubbery jello with standing water, then, claiming safety is pretty rich.
They weren’t closer because they were fouled. The winner was placed behind the horse they deemed he fouled.

This isn’t hard guys. Some of you are acting like you’ve never seen a DQ before.

Your not getting 10f stuff is silly since the horse you keyed that you claim can’t get 10f was a winner at 9.5f.
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:09 PM
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I am done with Horse Racing forever or until "rules" are same for every race. If 2020 KY Derby has 8 horses DQ for bumping a horse out of the gate OR the 18 cut off the 14 to get to the lead then I will come back

Was a joke and yes I hit the Ex/Tri before Barbara decided to make the order of finish
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:10 PM
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Maybe if the West's take their horses out of TC/BC races and take a year or 2 off of buying then the industry will realize what happened.

Stole a race from horse,trainer,owners and money from bettors
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:21 PM
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They weren’t closer because they were fouled. The winner was placed behind the horse they deemed he fouled.

This isn’t hard guys. Some of you are acting like you’ve never seen a DQ before.

Your not getting 10f stuff is silly since the horse you keyed that you claim can’t get 10f was a winner at 9.5f.




Wrong, if he fouled horses that were gunna otherwise win then, they'd be closer to him at the wire. He fouled horses that couldn't get 10f, and that's most of the horses in that race. They took him down for fouling horses that couldn't get 10f. I wrote it twice, because you are too damn slow to get it unless it's pounded into you, unfortunately.
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:34 PM
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Wrong, if he fouled horses that were gunna otherwise win then, they'd be closer to him at the wire. He fouled horses that couldn't get 10f, and that's most of the horses in that race. They took him down for fouling horses that couldn't get 10f. I wrote it twice, because you are too damn slow to get it unless it's pounded into you, unfortunately.
Did you watch the race with your eyes open?
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:41 PM
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No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert told me Sunday afternoon, by text. “It’s always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you’ve got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:44 PM
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Baffert trains for the owners of Maximum Security and you can be rest assured if he trained War of Will he would’ve claimed foul.
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Old 05-06-2019, 04:06 PM
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Wrong, if he fouled horses that were gunna otherwise win then, they'd be closer to him at the wire. He fouled horses that couldn't get 10f, and that's most of the horses in that race. They took him down for fouling horses that couldn't get 10f. I wrote it twice, because you are too damn slow to get it unless it's pounded into you, unfortunately.
Their ability to fairly try to navigate 10 furlongs was severely impacted because they were fouled by Maximum Security.

If a wide receiver with no arms goes down field to catch a pass, one that an armless man couldn't possibly haul in, then gets tackled by a defender before the ball gets anywhere near our limbless example, is that supposed to be NOT pass interference?
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