Should Songbird retire?

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

3rd or 5th choice, really? She has been overbet in almost every career race. She would probably be co favorite with Stellar Wind, 2nd choice at worst. Even though right now i dont think she could beat at least 4 horses being pointed to the Distaff.

Isn't the shine off of her star quite a bit now ?

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by taxicab

Isn't the shine off of her star quite a bit now ?

Pretty sure she beat Stellar wind. Who has only beaten Val, not songbird. Stellar wind will never beat Songbird. She won't lose again. Her star reads all wins except in the personal ensign . awarded second money despite winning the Breeders' Cup Distaff

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Pretty sure she beat Stellar wind. Who has only beaten Val, not songbird. Stellar wind will never beat Songbird. She won't lose again. Her star reads all wins except in the personal ensign . awarded second money despite winning the Breeders' Cup Distaff

You have no idea how much that Distaff photo cost me....
Here's how I view Songbird.
At 2 & 3 she was as good as it gets,nobody could get near her(except Beholder)........plain and simple.
I never bought into the speed figure argument criticizing her,half the time Mike Smith had her shut down.........she could of run faster if Smith pleased.
The other "phantom" knock on her was she was third best in her first defeat..........you run that one by a majority of sharps that puts serious time/effort/money into the game and you'll be laughed out of the room.
At 3 she was better then every F/M except Beholder.........fact.
This year: I'll start this by saying I thought Beholder was through before the BCD last year..........I couldn't of been more wrong,so who's to say I won't be wrong again.
But I just don't see the same Songbird.........can't quite put my finger on it,perhaps it's as simple as she just doesn't do things as easily as before.
Or........ she's just taking awhile to sharpen this year........I don't know.
But right now I think others are going better.
Of course......if she wins the Distaff(at a number to boot)she returns to the rarefied air she was once in..........right now I don't think she will,but since this is horse racing........I'm probably wrong........she'll probably find the winners circle on BC Friday.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by taxicab

Here's how I view Songbird.
At 2 & 3 she was as good as it gets,nobody could get near her(except Beholder)........plain and simple.

She'd be maybe the sixth best filly in the crop that had Inside Information, Heavenly Prize, Lakeway, Sardula and Phone Chatter.

As good as it gets?

Wow.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

She'd be maybe the sixth best filly in the crop that had Inside Information, Heavenly Prize, Lakeway, Sardula and Phone Chatter.

As good as it gets?

Wow.

Slow down a little,I wasn't referencing horses of the past.......I was talking about everything that she ran against on the track.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by taxicab

Slow down a little,I wasn't referencing horses of the past.......I was talking about everything that she ran against on the track.

Oh, sorry. I seem to be misreading people on here recently.

When you said as good as it gets, it seemed like you were engaging in Alabama Stakes level hyperbole.

[taxicab]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Oh, sorry. I seem to be misreading people on here recently.

When you said as good as it gets, it seemed like you were engaging in Alabama Stakes level hyperbole.

No sweat....
Just to engage a bit.
I'll list my top 5 F/M of all time( caveat here.......I've learned to never mention Z or RA in any thread on any message board.......for obvious reasons,so they weren't factored into this list).

1) RUFFIAN
2) Princess Rooney
3) Genuine Risk
4) Inside Information
5) Paseana