Havre De Grace Retired

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hey, I only pointed out that the report said Havre de Grace was "lame". Your words were "the mare was not lame". Are we to believe you, or Dr. L.R. Bramlage (you know, the one who actually examined her) on this one?

Nevertheless, I'll take the bait:

Not "visibly" lame? What sort of "lame" is it?

What's the definition of lameness? An alteration in a horse's gait. How is this recognized if not by sight? Perhaps by taste? Smell?

Anyways, enough beating around the bush. Your precious AAEP defines a grade 1 lameness as "difficult to observe; not consistently apparent". It does not say it is imperceptible. Never mind that the report also notes that the horse was greater than grade 1 when trotted on a circle to the right. Don't you think that was that deduced visually?

It's this distortion of facts when pressed that makes you lose credibility on here. Just because you have a piece of paper that others here don't, doesn't mean you can pull the wool over their eyes. You might have a PhD or a degree in veterinary medicine, but the only thing you tend to throw around here is a lot of BS.

Good lord, you're beyond absurd. You're well into self-embarrassment territory. Your attempt to snark at me has only revealed how ignorant you are of horses and lameness.

If you don't know about what the definitions of lameness are, perhaps you shouldn't arrogantly correct others who do?

There is no head nod - although I'm glad you know at least that lameness can have a head nod. We call that "junior vet student lame" - so lame that a 3rd year vet student - or an internet expert like yourself - could see it.

That happens when a lameness is graded 4 or above.

There is no "limping" at Grade 1, 2 or 3 lamenesses.

If you would like to speculate on how we professionals diagnose those low grade, non-limping lamenesses (yes, with flexion tests and circling and everything else) I'll be happy to show you sometime if you are ever in Lexington. Yes, it involves knowing more than just recognizing a limp.

And yes, we veterinarians use a specific lameness scale, of 0 - 5, with absolutely defined meanings, so when I read a report from another veterinarian - like Dr. Bramlage's report - I know exactly what he saw.

Unlike yourself, who is most obviously clueless.

My comment giving kudos to the barn, for finding a problem in a mare that was not visibly limping, and getting it diagnosed right away, stands.

You look like a fool declaring this mare "lame" and talking about a head nod with a grade of 1/5 and 1.5 flexion/circle. Why don't you apologize for being such a rude jerk about something you obviously know nothing about?