Deron Williams to Nets

[Cannon Shell]

I dont think this is a bad trade for NJ

They traded a top pick in a weak draft, a protected pick, a fair PG and a pretty soft looking Favors for one of the 3 best PG's in the league.

Sure it could backfire if Williams opt's to sign somewhere else but they gave up less than NY did for a better player.

Plus NJ has a lot of cap space and still has draft picks. They have been peddling Harris for 2 years and never found taker and Favors looks like he is not going to be an impact player, maybe ever.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think this is a bad trade for NJ

They traded a top pick in a weak draft, a protected pick, a fair PG and a pretty soft looking Favors for one of the 3 best PG's in the league.

Sure it could backfire if Williams opt's to sign somewhere else but they gave up less than NY did for a better player.

Plus NJ has a lot of cap space and still has draft picks. They have been peddling Harris for 2 years and never found taker and Favors looks like he is not going to be an impact player, maybe ever.

Bingo. They had to hook a huge fish to build around and they did.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bingo. They had to hook a huge fish to build around and they did.

It is Billy King so I expect them to trade Lopez for Darko any minute now

[golfer]

Billy King's track record in Philadelphia gives me little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Derrick Favors turns out to be as big a stiff as he appears right now, this is a good trade. If he doesn't, not so good. A great point guard makes everyone around him better, Devin Harris did not.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

Billy King's track record in Philadelphia gives me little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Derrick Favors turns out to be as big a stiff as he appears right now, this is a good trade. If he doesn't, not so good. A great point guard makes everyone around him better, Devin Harris did not.

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

I haven't followed the Nets closely this year (why would anyone want to?), but from what I have read, Favors work ethic isn't exactly where it needs to be. He is just 19, so immaturity isn't unusual, and he may grow up mentally at some point. I guess that's up to him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

I haven't followed the Nets closely this year (why would anyone want to?), but from what I have read, Favors work ethic isn't exactly where it needs to be. He is just 19, so immaturity isn't unusual, and he may grow up mentally at some point. I guess that's up to him.

Well that and he is helpless more than 5 feet from the rim

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

I am trying to figure this trade out, if Favors is a 14 and 8 guy, and Harris averages about 8 assist a game and Williams over 9, and they get 4 1st rounders. How is this for sure a winner for Nj

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I am trying to figure this trade out, if Favors is a 14 and 8 guy, and Harris averages about 8 assist a game and Williams over 9, and they get 4 1st rounders. How is this for sure a winner for Nj

Because 14-8 guys can be had for 3 mill a year, not get paid like the 3rd player drafted (and he is a long way from 14-8 right now) and you are comparing the output of 2 guys to 1. Williams is a 21-10 guy who can also play defense and is one of the 10 best players in the game. They got 2 first rounders, one is a protected pick which may not even be theirs for 2 or 3 years.

Draft picks in the NBA are not like draft picks in the NFL. A lot of the better teams that draft late simply sell off their 1st rounders for virtually nothing so they dont have to pay 1st round money for 3 years to players who are unlikely to contribute. This years draft is atrocious.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think this is a bad trade for NJ

They traded a top pick in a weak draft, a protected pick, a fair PG and a pretty soft looking Favors for one of the 3 best PG's in the league.

Sure it could backfire if Williams opt's to sign somewhere else but they gave up less than NY did for a better player.

Plus NJ has a lot of cap space and still has draft picks. They have been peddling Harris for 2 years and never found taker and Favors looks like he is not going to be an impact player, maybe ever.

If they dont sign him and lure additional 2012 free agents its a complete waste of time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If they dont sign him and lure additional 2012 free agents its a complete waste of time.

Have you seen them play lately?

[King Glorious]

Favors may become serviceable one day. Doesn't look like that day will come under this rookie contract though. Harris is a slightly above average pg, not worth near his salary. The draft has little to offer this year. The Nets could have stood pat and remained a lower level team or they could have made this move. In the short term, it improves them and even if Williams doesn't re-sign, it shows other potential free agents that NJ is serious about turning around and if they are able to keep him, he's a huge drawing card, along with a super-rich owner and a new arena. I didn't mention the move to NY because actually, where they are now is as close to Manhattan as Brooklyn is and as easy to get to, if not easier.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Favors may become serviceable one day. Doesn't look like that day will come under this rookie contract though. Harris is a slightly above average pg, not worth near his salary. The draft has little to offer this year. The Nets could have stood pat and remained a lower level team or they could have made this move. In the short term, it improves them and even if Williams doesn't re-sign, it shows other potential free agents that NJ is serious about turning around and if they are able to keep him, he's a huge drawing card, along with a super-rich owner and a new arena. I didn't mention the move to NY because actually, where they are now is as close to Manhattan as Brooklyn is and as easy to get to, if not easier.

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

The train to Newark is what 20 minutes from Penn Station? Brooklyn will help the Nets for sure but its a Knick town.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The train to Newark is what 20 minutes from Penn Station? Brooklyn will help the Nets for sure but its a Knick town.

The PATH from 33rd st to Newark is probably closer to a 35 minute ride (and the more I think about it, it's probably a bit longer than that).

The Nets really needed to make the move when they were competitive and the Knicks were in the midst of the Thomas regime. They had a real opportunity to take some of the Knicks fan base who were so disgusted with what was going on during then. All of a sudden there would have been a good home team to root for. But unfortunately for the Nets that boat has sailed. The Knicks are a good story again and everyone is jumping back on the bandwagon. The Nets lost a big chance and now will always be the red headed step child compared to the Knicks.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

Don't know when you commute, but in the morning during rush hour it takes just 15 minutes to get on the Newark Bay Extention.
Also I think comparing basketball (where the majority of games are played at night) versus football (it's a whole day event) is like apples and oranges. While the Rock in Newark is an absolutely beautiful arena, most of the surrounding area is deplorable. Not to mention the lack of nice restauraunts/bars to go to before and after the game. Who really wants to sit and wait for the 40 minute Path ride back to the city after a Nets game in Newark?
Baseball is it's own animal too, I personally thought the Mets should have tried to move to the city.
As far as the Islanders go, they are pretty much a small market team that belongs for Long Island. Going out there really sucks.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

Great, you spent a month driving in NYC. I've lived here my entire life and the arena site is 10 minutes from the city. Bridge traffic is a non-issue 95% of the time and the train is even easier. Newark is not nearly as close or convenient.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

This is not your finest work.

The Nets never had an identity. They will have one in Brooklyn. That move will be huge for them, especially if they have a decent team, and the Brooklyn location is tremendous. Not only is it by the LIRR hub, it is also next to probably the biggest subway hub in the entire NYC area. Virtually every subway goes right there. I live on the Upper West Side and can get there, door to door, in under 40 minutes. Trust me, I have gone to the Newark arena, and it is nice, but it's a MUCH bigger commute by public transportation.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have you seen them play lately?

Yes and whats your point that he can fill 18k empty seats and make Brook Lopez rebound? Unless they resign him they will be hawking him a year from now. They do have money to spend but its not like they have a lot. They are 20 mil under the current cap assuming he gets max money how much do they have for star 2?