Deron Williams to Nets

[golfer]

Billy King's track record in Philadelphia gives me little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Derrick Favors turns out to be as big a stiff as he appears right now, this is a good trade. If he doesn't, not so good. A great point guard makes everyone around him better, Devin Harris did not.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

Billy King's track record in Philadelphia gives me little reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. If Derrick Favors turns out to be as big a stiff as he appears right now, this is a good trade. If he doesn't, not so good. A great point guard makes everyone around him better, Devin Harris did not.

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

I haven't followed the Nets closely this year (why would anyone want to?), but from what I have read, Favors work ethic isn't exactly where it needs to be. He is just 19, so immaturity isn't unusual, and he may grow up mentally at some point. I guess that's up to him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by golfer

I haven't followed the Nets closely this year (why would anyone want to?), but from what I have read, Favors work ethic isn't exactly where it needs to be. He is just 19, so immaturity isn't unusual, and he may grow up mentally at some point. I guess that's up to him.

Well that and he is helpless more than 5 feet from the rim

[Cannon Shell]

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...oad/?eref=sihp

nice summary

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Having watched Favors a few times recently it is hard to believe he will ever be more than a 14-8 type guy. He is like Joe Smith without the shooting range.

I am trying to figure this trade out, if Favors is a 14 and 8 guy, and Harris averages about 8 assist a game and Williams over 9, and they get 4 1st rounders. How is this for sure a winner for Nj

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

I am trying to figure this trade out, if Favors is a 14 and 8 guy, and Harris averages about 8 assist a game and Williams over 9, and they get 4 1st rounders. How is this for sure a winner for Nj

Because 14-8 guys can be had for 3 mill a year, not get paid like the 3rd player drafted (and he is a long way from 14-8 right now) and you are comparing the output of 2 guys to 1. Williams is a 21-10 guy who can also play defense and is one of the 10 best players in the game. They got 2 first rounders, one is a protected pick which may not even be theirs for 2 or 3 years.

Draft picks in the NBA are not like draft picks in the NFL. A lot of the better teams that draft late simply sell off their 1st rounders for virtually nothing so they dont have to pay 1st round money for 3 years to players who are unlikely to contribute. This years draft is atrocious.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Terrence Jones and Brandon Knight are p.ussies.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because 14-8 guys can be had for 3 mill a year, not get paid like the 3rd player drafted (and he is a long way from 14-8 right now) and you are comparing the output of 2 guys to 1. Williams is a 21-10 guy who can also play defense and is one of the 10 best players in the game. They got 2 first rounders, one is a protected pick which may not even be theirs for 2 or 3 years.

Draft picks in the NBA are not like draft picks in the NFL. A lot of the better teams that draft late simply sell off their 1st rounders for virtually nothing so they dont have to pay 1st round money for 3 years to players who are unlikely to contribute. This years draft is atrocious.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

The third player in the NBA draft makes 3.3 million dollars this year, 3.5 the following and then 3.8.

High draft picks in basketball are better than high draft picks in the NFL in a lot of ways but importantly because the salary scale for rookies in the NBA is much less than in the NFL.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The third player in the NBA draft makes 3.3 million dollars this year, 3.5 the following and then 3.8.

High draft picks in basketball are better than high draft picks in the NFL in a lot of ways but importantly because the salary scale for rookies in the NBA is much less than in the NFL.

Those numbers are not accurate.
Favors contract is:
10/11-4133280
11/12-4443360
12/13-4753320*(team option)
13/14-6008006*(team option)
14/15-7882663*(qualifying offer)

That is a 27 million dollar commitment and I believe the way the salary cap works unless you renounce his rights you still get a cap hit even if you dont pick up the option.

The advantage that NFL teams have over NBA teams is they usually have 3 or 4 years worth of information on a player. For the top 10 picks the NBA scale is better but the odds of a late first rounder making a contribution are pretty slim and yet you still have to pay them for 3 years. 2nd round NBA players get a 2 year deal (if they make the team) for peanuts but are FA's in year 3. That is going to cost the Knicks with Fields who will be asking for a whole lot more than the 470k he makes this year or the 700k he makes next year.

Draft picks in basketball are less valuable because so few impact players are drafted.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Those numbers are not accurate.
Favors contract is:
10/11-4133280
11/12-4443360
12/13-4753320*(team option)
13/14-6008006*(team option)
14/15-7882663*(qualifying offer)

That is a 27 million dollar commitment and I believe the way the salary cap works unless you renounce his rights you still get a cap hit even if you dont pick up the option.

The numbers I quoted were not intended to be Favors actual contract but the minimum he could have received within the scale. Favors, like most high draft picks, received 120% of the scale. That was written poorly.

They are on the hook cap wise for the option years but are only COMMITTED to 8.6 million in actual dollars. Even if the guy is a total stiff (thabeet), they can trade him away simply because he was a recent top five pick if they need cap room.

Remember, the mid level exception is almost 6 million dollars. A top draft pick is relatively cheap labor.

Utah knew that Williams was a goner after next season. They knew they weren't going far in the playoffs with or without him. I think the haul they received was pretty good and certainly much better than they would have gotten if they would have put it out there that he was on the block.