Deron Williams to Nets

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If they dont sign him and lure additional 2012 free agents its a complete waste of time.

Have you seen them play lately?

[King Glorious]

Favors may become serviceable one day. Doesn't look like that day will come under this rookie contract though. Harris is a slightly above average pg, not worth near his salary. The draft has little to offer this year. The Nets could have stood pat and remained a lower level team or they could have made this move. In the short term, it improves them and even if Williams doesn't re-sign, it shows other potential free agents that NJ is serious about turning around and if they are able to keep him, he's a huge drawing card, along with a super-rich owner and a new arena. I didn't mention the move to NY because actually, where they are now is as close to Manhattan as Brooklyn is and as easy to get to, if not easier.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Favors may become serviceable one day. Doesn't look like that day will come under this rookie contract though. Harris is a slightly above average pg, not worth near his salary. The draft has little to offer this year. The Nets could have stood pat and remained a lower level team or they could have made this move. In the short term, it improves them and even if Williams doesn't re-sign, it shows other potential free agents that NJ is serious about turning around and if they are able to keep him, he's a huge drawing card, along with a super-rich owner and a new arena. I didn't mention the move to NY because actually, where they are now is as close to Manhattan as Brooklyn is and as easy to get to, if not easier.

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

The train to Newark is what 20 minutes from Penn Station? Brooklyn will help the Nets for sure but its a Knick town.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The train to Newark is what 20 minutes from Penn Station? Brooklyn will help the Nets for sure but its a Knick town.

The PATH from 33rd st to Newark is probably closer to a 35 minute ride (and the more I think about it, it's probably a bit longer than that).

The Nets really needed to make the move when they were competitive and the Knicks were in the midst of the Thomas regime. They had a real opportunity to take some of the Knicks fan base who were so disgusted with what was going on during then. All of a sudden there would have been a good home team to root for. But unfortunately for the Nets that boat has sailed. The Knicks are a good story again and everyone is jumping back on the bandwagon. The Nets lost a big chance and now will always be the red headed step child compared to the Knicks.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The PATH from 33rd st to Newark is probably closer to a 35 minute ride (and the more I think about it, it's probably a bit longer than that).

The Nets really needed to make the move when they were competitive and the Knicks were in the midst of the Thomas regime. They had a real opportunity to take some of the Knicks fan base who were so disgusted with what was going on during then. All of a sudden there would have been a good home team to root for. But unfortunately for the Nets that boat has sailed. The Knicks are a good story again and everyone is jumping back on the bandwagon. The Nets lost a big chance and now will always be the red headed step child compared to the Knicks.

Nah. The Russian will outsmart Dolan.

Knicks are going to be a disaster.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Nah. The Russian will outsmart Dolan.

Knicks are going to be a disaster.

Can't really argue that point, because it's 100% accurate.

But like I said there were alot Knicks fans (including myself, when I really follwed the NBA) were so sick and disgusted with Isiah/Dolan show, that at least me personally were rooting against them. They were such a hard team to like and you wanted to see Dolan get embarrassed and fire Isiah. And with every passing year of them staying and losing together, made you loathe and root against them even more. I really think that the Nets could have came in and made a big splash with that disgusted portion of the Knicks fan base. The fact that the Knicks are relavent again (before Carmello and being basically a .500 team) for the fans shows how desperate they have been over the last decade.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Newark isn't a fraction of the tourist/rich person destination that Brooklyn is, and you're completely wrong about the distance. If the arena is ever built, it's 10 minutes from the city, maximum. You're not getting from NYC to Newark in 10 minutes unless you take an airplane.

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

Don't know when you commute, but in the morning during rush hour it takes just 15 minutes to get on the Newark Bay Extention.
Also I think comparing basketball (where the majority of games are played at night) versus football (it's a whole day event) is like apples and oranges. While the Rock in Newark is an absolutely beautiful arena, most of the surrounding area is deplorable. Not to mention the lack of nice restauraunts/bars to go to before and after the game. Who really wants to sit and wait for the 40 minute Path ride back to the city after a Nets game in Newark?
Baseball is it's own animal too, I personally thought the Mets should have tried to move to the city.
As far as the Islanders go, they are pretty much a small market team that belongs for Long Island. Going out there really sucks.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

Great, you spent a month driving in NYC. I've lived here my entire life and the arena site is 10 minutes from the city. Bridge traffic is a non-issue 95% of the time and the train is even easier. Newark is not nearly as close or convenient.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Great, you spent a month driving in NYC. I've lived here my entire life and the arena site is 10 minutes from the city. Bridge traffic is a non-issue 95% of the time and the train is even easier. Newark is not nearly as close or convenient.

Roebling Tea Room and Enid's were my SHITE when I spent a week in Brooklyn in December.

What this has to do with the price of peanuts in China? I couldn't tell ya.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Roebling Tea Room and Enid's were my SHITE when I spent a week in Brooklyn in December.

What this has to do with the price of peanuts in China? I couldn't tell ya.

Let me know if you make it again. There are a lot of other fun spots in that area I can put you on to.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Absolutely untrue. To get to where the new arena will be is much more than 10 minutes. And after just spending a month in NYC driving everyday between Newark and midtown, it never took me more than 15 minutes unless the traffic was really bad in which case, you could take the PATH and be there in about a 1/2 hour or less. I don't understand why people act like being across the river makes that much of a difference. Everyone accepts that the Giants and Jets are New York teams and they both play over in Jersey. The Pats are Boston's team and look how far they are from Boston. The Angels are marketed as the Los Angeles Angels and they are way out in Anaheim. Look at where the New York Islanders play.

This is not your finest work.

The Nets never had an identity. They will have one in Brooklyn. That move will be huge for them, especially if they have a decent team, and the Brooklyn location is tremendous. Not only is it by the LIRR hub, it is also next to probably the biggest subway hub in the entire NYC area. Virtually every subway goes right there. I live on the Upper West Side and can get there, door to door, in under 40 minutes. Trust me, I have gone to the Newark arena, and it is nice, but it's a MUCH bigger commute by public transportation.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is not your finest work.

The Nets never had an identity. They will have one in Brooklyn. That move will be huge for them, especially if they have a decent team, and the Brooklyn location is tremendous. Not only is it by the LIRR hub, it is also next to probably the biggest subway hub in the entire NYC area. Virtually every subway goes right there. I live on the Upper West Side and can get there, door to door, in under 40 minutes. Trust me, I have gone to the Newark arena, and it is nice, but it's a MUCH bigger commute by public transportation.

I'm sorry that I always disappoint you. I do not think that the move to Brooklyn will be so great for them. I understand that it's going to be a magnificent arena and that they'll have every chance to be a big draw but I just don't think that it's going to happen. The city is still a Knicks city. Always will be. Again, I don't think that Newark is a totally different world than NYC. The Lakers moved from Inglewood to downtown LA and if they moved to Anaheim, they'd still be the same draw. If the Knicks didn't exist, NJ would be NY's team and people would have no problem crossing the river. With the cost of the new arena, the average fan won't be able to afford going and the high end people that they'd be hoping to attract are still going to be going to Knicks games. The Nets don't draw because they are the Nets, not because they are across the river. Bergen, Union, Hudson, and Essex counties are all very heavily populated and in NJ and they provide a huge fan base. If people wanted to see the Nets, they would. I don't think moving to Brooklyn will make them more attractive.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have you seen them play lately?

Yes and whats your point that he can fill 18k empty seats and make Brook Lopez rebound? Unless they resign him they will be hawking him a year from now. They do have money to spend but its not like they have a lot. They are 20 mil under the current cap assuming he gets max money how much do they have for star 2?